DEAR PETER, I take my lead from the old Hollywood photographers who used ortho film and got GREAT skin tones. I either use a green filter on a faster film like T-max 400 or I use Plus X which has a relatively lower red sensitivity. It appears that high red sensitivity makes skin appear much lighter where as lower red sensitivity gives skin some nice tone. Just my 2 cents. CHEERS! BOB Please check my website: http://www.bobkiss.com/ <http://www.bobkiss.com/> "Live as if you are going to die tomorrow. Learn as if you are going to live forever". Mahatma Gandhi -----Original Message----- From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Peter Badcock Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 12:52 AM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: portrait@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Skin tones On 23/06/06, Lloyd Erlick < lloyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:lloyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: Subject: Re: Suggestions needed from the real experts here June 23, 2006, from Lloyd Erlick, Anyway, I did not reduce time of development very much, and got very, very dense negs. The prints took quite long enlarger exposures, and the first couple of test prints were very crappy. But eventually I got the exposure right, and saw what beautiful results were possible with 'generously' exposed Tri-X. Skin tones work out gorgeously. regards, --le Lloyd, do you have any examples of the skin tones you are describing here? I had a look on your website but couldn't find any Tri-X exposed at 200ASA. I am trying to build a general mental catalog in my mind of how various films capture skin tones under natural light while varying the exposure conditions and maybe the scene brightness range (SBR). This is neither an exhaustive nor a scientific exercise, just something to help me pre-visualise potential possibilities. (I am certainly aware that the characteristic curve of the paper will also contribute to the print's tonality). FWIW, I really like what Suzanne Revy has done with TXP here http://www.apug.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=312382#poststop but unfortunately TXP isn't available in 35mm. regards Peter