RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
- From: "Cuthbertson, Jamie" <Jamie.Cuthbertson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:04:48 +0100
Daveed,
If you already have access to a PTR1, the process would be almost
identical to the process using a PTR2 because the PRS software is the
same software for the 2 devices.
In terms of doing what I think you want to do, what I would suggest is
as follows:
1. Make a recording on a PTR1 or PTR2 pressing the Heading key every
time you want to place a marker into the recording for getting back to
that place later on.
2. Finalise the CD if you are using a CD. If you are using a CF card,
you can either take it over to a card reader attached to your PC or, if
you are using a PTR2, you should be able to connect the USB cable and
access the card directly from the PC whilst it's still in the PTR2.
3. Load the PRS software and perform a DAISY Import to open the
original recording into a new project.
4. Perform any phrase or section editing that you want to do to get the
sections tidied up the way you want them.
5. When you have got the sections of audio sorted, perform the Audio
Export function. This will generate a new DAISY title and at the same
time it will create new audio files that match up to the sections that
you have created. In other words, if you have created 10 sections in
the DAISY title, you will end up with 10 new audio files in the
exporting process. These will either be .MP3 or .WAV files depending on
the recording format that you used when making the original recording.
6. Exit the PRS software and go into Sound Forge and load up any or all
the audio files that you want to use and further edit.
Hope this makes the stages clear.
Regards,
Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Daveed Mandell
Sent: Tue, 17 October 2006 00:20
To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
I suppose one can get quite adept at going through this, and I'll
definitely try it, if I can get my hands on a PTR2 to check it
out. I want to record with it,besides doing the editing. When I am
ready to export to audio, will sections automatically divide into
separate files, or must I do all this manually? That latter could
take up quite a bit of precious time! I wish there could be a way of
having PRS insert marks that could be understood by conventonal sound
editing software!!
Thanks, at last, for clarifying everyting!! A bit clumsy this
procedure, but definitely do-able. And it's worth it,too, suing a
unit that is completely accessible!!
--Daveed--At 12:53 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote:
>Daveed,
>
>Yes, this is impossible.
>
>However, the point of the past talk about the use of the PRS software
is
>to alert you to the fact that it can be used as a way of preparing the
>files that you ultimately want to take to Sound Forge. Admittedly this
>means that you need to do more stages in the process than is ideal but
>it would mean that you can mark points of note during the recording,
>then carry out a degree of editing to dispose of unwanted audio in PRS,
>then export the audio to individual files for subsequently importing
>into Sound Forge for final editing.
>
>It can be done in this way but if these are too many stages for your
>needs, you will need to stick to using a different method of achieving
>the outcome you are looking for.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Daveed Mandell
>Sent: Mon, 16 October 2006 14:46
>To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
>
>You speak of ocmore complex material. My question still
>remains: How can I get the material from the PTR2 into Sound
>Forge,completre with section marks, etc.? I assume that is
>impossible. Daisy, might be absolutely wonderufl, but it is totally
>irrelevant at this point to the task at hand, for me , at any rate.
>Thanks.
>--Daveed--At 03:50 AM 10/16/2006, you wrote:
>
> >Daveed,
> >
> >This is really not as complicated as you are allowing yourself to
>think.
> >
> >The PRS software is intended as a fully functional editing software
for
> >the creation of a DAISY title. This includes the ability to cut,
copy,
> >paste, split and join phrases and sections within the recording. You
> >can edit the audio in whatever way is suitable for the end product
you
> >want to achieve.
> >
> >The software also happens to have a number of useful functions that
are
> >handy, for example, the audio export facility that we have been
talking
> >about. All in all, the PRS is a neat way of creating and editing
DAISY
> >(audio only) titles.
> >
> >In my mind, if you only ever want to be able to record an interview
or
> >the like and then edit it in preparation of broadcasting pieces of
that
> >interview, the PRS probably will do all that you need. If, however,
>you
> >want to be able to do other more elaborate things to the recording
such
> >as fading, multi-tracking, etc, etc, then you will need to use other
> >audio editing software such as Sound Forge.
> >
> >The concept of PRS is pretty straightforward - it's a DAISY editing
> >tool.
> >
> >Hope this helps.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jamie
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Daveed Mandell
> >Sent: Thu, 12 October 2006 17:21
> >To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
> >
> >Jamie: What do you mean by "Edit all the audio in whatever way suits
> >your purposes for whatever program you are creating." This is
> >getting so complicated! Can't I just edit with Sound Forge? I'm
> >sorry, but I still don't understand. I thought that when you export
> >to audio files, you get one large edited file, according to the way
> >in which you edited the original Daisy file. Now I understand I
> >would get separate files for each section. This is very confusing.
> >
> >--Daveed--At 06:17 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote:
> >
> > >Daveed,
> > >
> > >Basically forget using the page and group settings if you don't
want
>to
> > >make use of them within a DAISY end product. Stick entirely to
using
> > >the heading key to mark locations of interest.
> > >
> > >Once you've finished your recording on the PTR2, finalise the CD
and
> > >import the DAISY title into the PRS software. Your heading markers
> >will
> > >be used to determine the sections in the imported DAISY title.
> > >
> > >Next edit all the audio in whatever way best suits your purposes
for
> >the
> > >programme you are creating.
> > >
> > >Once all editing is complete, use the "Audio Export" feature to
> >generate
> > >a different DAISY title in which the chunks of audio, that relate
to
> > >each section, will be reorganised so that you end up with a unique
> >audio
> > >file for each section.
> > >
> > >You can then access the audio files and use them in other editing
> > >software if required, in the knowledge that the audio has been
tidied
> >up
> > >to be how you want it.
> > >
> > >Hope this helps.
> > >
> > >Jamie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Daveed
Mandell
> > >Sent: Tue, 10 October 2006 14:58
> > >To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: Re: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
> > >
> > >So, what do I do, Michael, with files I've recorded on the PTR2
where
> > >I've marked various headings and pages, to indicate possible sound
> > >bites? Must I then use the PRS to find and isolate them, and then
> > >move to Sound Forge? I still haven't received an answer to my
basic
> > >quewstion from anyone here, even though I think I understand the
> > >overall picutre somewhat better. I'm on tight deadlines and don't
> > >have lots of time to pla around with all kinds of software. So
> > >what's the procedure these possible cuts and isolate them? I
assume
> > >I should forget about using the Page or Group keys on the PTR2,
since
> > >since using the PRS Audio Export probably won't help me find those
> > >marks; but I assume also that when using the Heading Key on the
PTR2,
> > >and then the PRS Audio Export, I'll end up with separate audio
files
> > >for each section. So far, niether IRTI in the US, nor Plextor
Japan,
> > >hasn't assisted me. Plextor USA a\has washed its hand entirely of
> > >the Plextalk products. I urge people in the USA to contact Plextor
> > >USA's public relations outlet asking Plesxtor to actively support
> > >their Plextalk products. It is unbelieveable to me that Plextor
> > >would decide to provide absolutely no support whatsoever for their
> > >own products. A
> > >--DaveedInterested persons should write
> > >\
> > >marcom@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > >--
> > >t 10:44 PM 10/6/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Daveed, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sorry, I didn't make it clear that I would be pressing the
>Heading
> > >Key
> > > > > at various times to mark passages of a particular speaker for
>use
> >as
> > > > > sound bites in my radio news reports. I would not be using the
>PRS
> > >at
> > > > > all.
> > > >
> > > >If you just press the heading key, the Plextalks will not create
a
> >new
> > > >audio file in DAISY recordings.
> > > >
> > > >Without the PRS, you cannot convert the markers, which are set by
> > > >pressing the heading key into beginnings of new audio files. One
>can
> >do
> > > >that with the PRS, by using the Audio Export function from the
>tools
> > > >menu. With this function, one can create audio files, which truly
> > > >reflect all the inserts, overwrites, heading markers etc. of a
>DAISY
> > > >recording. If you move the recording to a pC, it is no problem to
>use
> > > >the PRS for that.
> > > >
> > > >The PTR2 is a great tool for blind radio journalists. I know
some,
> >who
> > > >use the Plextalk regularly.
> > > >
> > > >For me, the most important thing in a firmware update would be a
> >better
> > > >way to fast forward and rewind. This doesn't work as well as it
>does
> >on
> > > >say the new Edirol R-09.
> > > >
> > > > <*** Michael Lang ***>
> > > >
> > >
> >
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