Re: programming languages , environments and jaws

  • From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 20:47:20 -0500

Hi,
Also if, internally, the functions handle processes differently. For instance, the function may be in anything above 6.2, but, internally, do something differently in 8.0 than it did in 6.2. For example, if ActiveItemChangedEvent and NewTextEvent are in all versions 6.2 and higher, and in 6.2 and 7.0, list view classes were handled by NewTextEvent's call to SayHighlightedText, but in 7.1 and higher, list views are handled by ActiveItemChangedEvent, and the no longer needed script code was taken out of SayHighlightedText, then compiling 8.0 scripts in 6.2 may indeed compile, but the functionality will be different because 6.2's ActiveItemChangedEvent doesn't have the internal code that tells it to process all list views. This is just an example, but many things change internally that have an impact on scripting. A huge example is the FocusChangedEventEx function added in 7.1. It determines if the control is a list, or menu, and if so, calls ActiveItemChangedEvent; otherwise, call FocusChangedEvent. This means the scripts now have a higher level event than FocusChangedEvent. 
That fundamental change will effect any script set later than 7.0.
Hope this helps!

Thanks,
Dennis Brown
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlon Brandão de Sousa" <splyt.lists@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: programming languages , environments and jaws


What I don't understand is the following:
if I use a jaws scripting built in function called a() and this
function is present on jaws from, let's say, 6 and above, and the
documentation says that function a() will return some information,
every script ewhich uses the function a() should act accordingly with
the documentation, and it should act the same way don't mather what
version is used.
Given this, I think, cinse vs 2005 is fully dependant on scripts, vs
.net 2005  should be read the same way in every versions of jaws which
will allow the scripts to compile, I mean that offer suport to the
functions used by these scripts.
The only thing that makes sense for me in explaining why different
versions of jaws act differently is if I assume that the return of
scripting built in functions would be different across them. Is it
right?
Marlon

2007/12/8, Will Pearson <will@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

Hi Marlon,
I would say that version six of JAWS is probably the minimum version for use 
with Visual Studio 2005.  Visual Studio 2005 was tested against JAWS
versions between five and seven as these were the versions that were current 
or released during the development of Visual Studio 2005.

The versions of JAWS that were tested against Visual Studio 2005 all work
pretty much the same when used with the scripts; however, there is one
problem with version five of JAWS that cannot be fixed by the scripts. The problem is that the off screen model seems to get stuck in an infinite loop, 
or performs some other task that seems never ending, when the Solution
Explorer becomes visible under some circumstances. The curcumstance that I 
know that causes this is when the Solution Explorer first becomes visible
after creating an MFC project or upgrading a VC project from an earlier
version of Visual C++. This problem doesn't seem to be present in versions 
of JAWS later than five.
I can't comment on versions of JAWS above seven from my personal experience. 
I don't use JAWS that much these days, and I haven't been inclined to keep
my copy of JAWS up to date.  So, I don't own a copy of version eight.  If
the comments that Dennis made about greater use of MSAA are true, and I
believe them to be given Dennis's former position with Freedom Scientific,
then version eight may be slightly better.

Will
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marlon Brandão de Sousa" <splyt.lists@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: programming languages , environments and jaws


Do the scripts have a minimum jaws version set to run properly? If the
scripts can be compiled and used in jaws 6 I see no reazons why jaws 8
would run better, cinse the scripts will take control of things.
This is not to contradict you, I am curious.
Marlon

2007/12/7, inthaneelf <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Marvin,
>
> you might want to take this chance to get your jaws upgraded, I do > believe > that jaws 8 works better with the vs IDE's than does jaws 6, and you > will > need the scripts for VS 2005-2008 that are available from my grab bag > site > (see URL under my name) and can benefit from other materials there for > the 
> VS IDE's there as well.
>
> good luck,
> inthane
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marlon Brandão de Sousa" <splyt.lists@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 3:42 AM
> Subject: Re: programming languages , environments and jaws
>
>
> > It will work well with all .net 2003 languages, very well with all
> > .net 2005 languages, expectedly well with all .net 2008 languages and
> > it isn't likely to work with .net 2002 languages. Scripts and or lug
> > ins are needed, depending on what version you will be using though.
> > Marlon
> >
> > 2007/12/7, marvin hunkin <marvkin@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >>
> >> Hi.
> >> looking to do programming at my college for 2008.
> >> they use visual studio.net.
> >> now, what languages and environments will jaws work with, and not > >> work 
> >> with,
> >> so then i can get an idea, of what i need, and to let the it staff, > >> get 
> >> the
> >> right version of jaws for me.
> >> using version 6.10, on windows xp pro, sp2, and internet explorer 6.
> >> if you can let me know, would be very appreciative.
> >> cheers marvin.
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