RE: jaws9 beta
- From: "Holdsworth, Lynn" <Lynn.Holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:36:48 +0100
Jim, you're a great moderator. The bitching that goes on here sometimes would
try anyone's patience.
It's strange how the moderator gets flamed rather than the people who caused
the need for moderation. This list is such a valuable resource that we'd all
lose out if it died.
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 05 October 2007 20:23
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: jaws9 beta
Hi,
That points thing is lame. I am going to change that when I get the chance.
I admit that I need to be a bit more down the middle rather than either letting
everything or nothing go. Sorry folks.
Jim
James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810
"It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is to wait
until I think I can do it just right."
http://tinyurl.com/32rsxz
"Ken Perry"
<whistler@blinkso
ft.com> To
Sent by: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
programmingblind- cc
bounce@freelists.
org Subject
RE: jaws9 beta
10/05/2007 03:06
PM
Please respond to
programmingblind@
freelists.org
Well the only way to stop inflammatory posts is to change a list to fully
moderated. We all slip up and get pissed from time to time. Maybe its just
the moderators turn to get ticked off and over react. When I last read the
rules there was something about points and it was working I even got a point
taken and after that I shut up. Did Sina get all 3 points wiped off his map in
one shot. Yes I know Sina can be inflammatory at time but he sure they hell
hasn't been as bad as at least 3 I can think of off the top of my head and he
has definitely helped more then those same three. I guess the moderator feels
that the more intelligent posters should be punished but the less should be
left because they don't know any better. I find it interesting that this is
the main bit of posting lately maybe that is because the list is already dyeing.
Ken
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of inthaneelf
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:30 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
not! quite! since he suspended Sina...
inthane
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----- Original Message -----
From: "jaffar" <jaffar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
> and yea to that jim. Cheers!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 7:28 PM
> Subject: RE: jaws9 beta
>
>
> Or until I get them or you. Unless I appoint a moderator, we only have
one
> here.
>
> Jim
>
> James D Homme,
> Usability Engineering
> Highmark Inc.
> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> 412-544-1810
>
> "It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is
> to wait until I think I can do it just right."
>
>
>
>
> "Sina Bahram"
> <sbahram@xxxxxxxx
> m> To
> Sent by: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> programmingblind- cc
> bounce@freelists.
> org Subject
> RE: jaws9 beta
>
> 10/04/2007 08:00
> PM
>
>
> Please respond to
> programmingblind@
> freelists.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
> That Sina poster was me, and I'm doing it again, until folks get it.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Matthew2007
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:46 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>
> Very good point, but you're venturing into the venue of the JFW list
> rather than this programming list. Furthermore that sonia poster has
> already posted the necessary info to send jaws bugs a couple of days
> ago.
>
> Matthew
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Harmon" <rickharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>
>
>> How about so others here can duplicate problems so more of us can
>> report bugs to FS so they can be fixed?
>>
>> Rick
>>
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>> From: "Matthew2007" <matthew2007@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>>
>>
>> This below is an example of why it would not be a good idea for this
list
>
>> to
>> allow any discussion regarding jaws 9. People conveying their
>> problems with the beta will serve absolutely no purpose as nothing
>> can be done by any
> of
>> us and the final release could be a very different monster. Why spend
>> so much time and effort discussing a work in progress? Its completely
>> redundant work and effort.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matthew
>> ---- Original Message -----
>> From: <Tristan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> One problm about jfw 9.0 I am really having trouble with is that
>>> when I have it first starting up when I boot my computer up, it
>>> doesn't tell
me
>>> when messages are unread in Outlook Express. I have to restart my
>>> JAWS 9.0 to make it say the unread notification before it reads the
>>> message subject, and who it is from. It is wierd. Tell me what you
>>> guys think.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tristan Bussiere
>>> Founder, ACE Games
>>> http://www.acegamesonline.net
>>>
>>> Skype: tristanbussiere
>>> MSN: Tristan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>>>
>>>
>>> totally agreed, reporting is great, anything else other than
>>> proposing fixes until FS gets to it, and I would say Pass those
>>> fixes to FS as well as
> us
>>> would be a good thing, but any more than that is bellyaching and I
agree
>>> that it should be cut off, smile
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> inthane
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>>> and Links to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications,
>>> visit me at:
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programming
>>> languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at:
>>> http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:53 AM
>>> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Saying what is wrong and confirming it among list members is fine.
Going
>>> on
>>> for days about it isn't. I will go that far and I feel that's OK.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> James D Homme,
>>> Usability Engineering
>>> Highmark Inc.
>>> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> 412-544-1810
>>>
>>> "It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it
>>> is
to
>>> wait until I think I
>>> can do it just right."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Marlon Brandão
>>> de Sousa"
>>> <splyt.lists@gmai
> To
>>> l.com> programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent by:
> cc
>>> programmingblind-
>>> bounce@freelists.
> Subject
>>> org Re: jaws9 beta
>>>
>>>
>>> 10/04/2007 02:33
>>> PM
>>>
>>>
>>> Please respond to
>>> programmingblind@
>>> freelists.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Agree, specially in terms of related programming things such as how
>>> it works with vs and such.
>>> Marlon
>>>
>>> 2007/10/4, inthaneelf <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>> I hear what your saying Jim, but knowing what is "not quite right"
>>>> in the
>>> j9
>>>> beta would be helpful to the rest of us, eh?
>>>>
>>>> yes most definitely let if s know, but I would like to know as
>>>> well,
>>> smile
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> inthane
>>>> . For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs,
>>>> and
>>> Links
>>>> to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me
at:
>>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
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> programming
>>>> languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at:
>>>> http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:57 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> > I totally agree with this, and instead of complaining on this
>>>> > list,
>>> please
>>>> > constructively take the time to report issues to FS.
>>>> >
>>>> > Jim
>>>> >
>>>> > James D Homme,
>>>> > Usability Engineering
>>>> > Highmark Inc.
>>>> > james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> > 412-544-1810
>>>> >
>>>> > "It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than
>>>> > it
is
>>> to
>>>> > wait until I think I
>>>> > can do it just right."
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > "Sina Bahram"
>>>> > <sbahram@xxxxxxxx
>>>> > m>
>>> To
>>>> > Sent by: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> > programmingblind-
>>> cc
>>>> > bounce@freelists.
>>>> > org
>>> Subject
>>>> > jaws9 beta
>>>> >
>>>> > 10/02/2007 08:28
>>>> > PM
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Please respond to
>>>> > programmingblind@
>>>> > freelists.org
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I would urge all of you to report like crazy.
>>>> >
>>>> > I've already filed at least six bugs, if not more, and I am
>>>> > hoping that
>>> my
>>>> > experience with the .net bugs repeats itself and they fix these
>>>> > things.
>>>> >
>>>> > Obviously, don't make them frivolous, and try not to make them
> useless
>>> bug
>>>> > reports such as those that are the fault of a particular software
>>>> > application, instead of FS doing something wrong in jaws, but I
>>>> > hope
>>> they
>>>> > will take them to heart.
>>>> >
>>>> > the email address you should report to is:
>>>> >
>>>> > support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >
>>>> > I've been using the subject prefix of:
>>>> >
>>>> > jaws9 beta bug report
>>>> >
>>>> > followed by a colon followed by a space and then a short subject
>>>> > for
>>> the
>>>> > problem.
>>>> >
>>>> > It helps them a great deal if you include steps on how to
>>>> > reproduce the bug.
>>>> >
>>>> > Good luck all
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Take care,
>>>> > Sina
>>>> >
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