Well everyone welcome to the death of the list.  I will probably be kicked
off next. Sina has already went the way of the gone.  I mean come on Tyler
goes on his nastiness and someone who just replies to someone is gone even
though he is one of the most helpful people on the list.  First we switch to
free list then our moderator becomes a dictator.  That is the beginning of
the end of many lists.  I will start looking at other programming lists.  I
have left before but I figure I won't have to leave this time at this rate.

Ken 

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 7:50 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: jaws9 beta

Hi,
I have no problem with pointing out the beta URL. I do have a problem with
public arguments that should be private. I do have a problem with people
clogging up the list with moderation type messages. I do have a problem with
people not caring about the spirit or intent of this list. I do have a
problem with flip, smart, disrespectful comments clogging up this list when
it could be used for more valuable things. Is that clear enough?

Jim

James D Homme,
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Highmark Inc.
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412-544-1810

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This is the first indication you have given that responding with a beta URL
is not wanted. Now, that I know this, I won't do it again.

I thought that would be preferable than having discussions about it.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 7:29 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: jaws9 beta

Or until I get them or you. Unless I appoint a moderator, we only have one
here.

Jim

James D Homme,
Usability Engineering
Highmark Inc.
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
412-544-1810

"It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is to
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That Sina poster was me, and I'm doing it again, until folks get it.

Take care,
Sina


-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew2007
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:46 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: jaws9 beta

Very good point, but you're venturing into the venue of the JFW list rather
than this programming list. Furthermore that sonia poster has already posted
the necessary info to send jaws bugs a couple of days ago.

Matthew
---- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Harmon" <rickharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: jaws9 beta


  

How about so others here can duplicate problems so more of us can 
report bugs to FS so they can be fixed?

Rick


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Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: jaws9 beta


This below is an example of why it would not be a good idea for this 
list
    

to
allow any discussion regarding jaws 9. People conveying their problems 
with the beta will serve absolutely no purpose as nothing can be done 
by any
    

of
  

us and the final release could be a very different monster. Why spend 
so much time and effort discussing a work in progress? Its completely 
redundant work and effort.

Thanks,

Matthew
---- Original Message -----
From: <Tristan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: jaws9 beta


    

Hi all,
One problm about jfw 9.0 I am really having trouble with is that when 
I have it first starting up when I boot my computer up, it doesn't 
tell me when messages are unread in Outlook Express. I have to 
restart my JAWS 9.0 to make it say the unread notification before it 
reads the message subject, and who it is from. It is wierd. Tell me 
what you guys think.



Tristan Bussiere
Founder, ACE Games
http://www.acegamesonline.net

Skype: tristanbussiere
MSN: Tristan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: jaws9 beta


totally agreed, reporting is great, anything else other than 
proposing fixes until FS gets to it, and I would say Pass those fixes 
to FS as well as
      

us
  

would be a good thing, but any more than that is bellyaching and I 
agree that it should be cut off, smile

thanks,
inthane
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----- Original Message -----
From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: jaws9 beta


Hi,
Saying what is wrong and confirming it among list members is fine.
Going on for days about it isn't. I will go that far and I feel 
that's OK.

Jim

James D Homme,
Usability Engineering
Highmark Inc.
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
412-544-1810

"It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is 
to wait until I think I can do it just right."




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Agree, specially in terms of related programming things such as how 
it works with vs and such.
Marlon

2007/10/4, inthaneelf <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
      

I hear what your saying Jim, but knowing what is "not quite right"
in the
        

j9
      

beta would be helpful to the rest of us, eh?

yes most definitely let if s know, but I would like to know as well,
        

smile
      

thanks,
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----- Original Message -----
From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: jaws9 beta


        

Hi,
I totally agree with this, and instead of complaining on this 
list,
          

please
      

constructively take the time to report issues to FS.

Jim

James D Homme,
Usability Engineering
Highmark Inc.
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
412-544-1810

"It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it 
is
          

to
      

wait until I think I
can do it just right."




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I would urge all of you to report like crazy.

I've already filed at least six bugs, if not more, and I am hoping 
that
          

my
      

experience with the .net bugs repeats itself and they fix these 
things.

Obviously, don't make them frivolous, and try not to make them
          

useless
  

bug
      

reports such as those that are the fault of a particular software 
application, instead of FS doing something wrong in jaws, but I 
hope
          

they
      

will take them to heart.

the email address you should report to is:

support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I've been using the subject prefix of:

jaws9 beta bug report

followed by a colon followed by a space and then a short subject 
for
          

the
      

problem.

It helps them a great deal if you include steps on how to 
reproduce the bug.

Good luck all


Take care,
Sina

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