Well the only way to stop inflammatory posts is to change a list to fully moderated. We all slip up and get pissed from time to time. Maybe its just the moderators turn to get ticked off and over react. When I last read the rules there was something about points and it was working I even got a point taken and after that I shut up. Did Sina get all 3 points wiped off his map in one shot. Yes I know Sina can be inflammatory at time but he sure they hell hasn't been as bad as at least 3 I can think of off the top of my head and he has definitely helped more then those same three. I guess the moderator feels that the more intelligent posters should be punished but the less should be left because they don't know any better. I find it interesting that this is the main bit of posting lately maybe that is because the list is already dyeing. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of inthaneelf Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:30 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: jaws9 beta not! quite! since he suspended Sina... inthane . For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and Links to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me at: http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com . to be able to view a simple programming project in several programming languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at: http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jaffar" <jaffar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: Re: jaws9 beta > and yea to that jim. Cheers! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 7:28 PM > Subject: RE: jaws9 beta > > > Or until I get them or you. Unless I appoint a moderator, we only have one > here. > > Jim > > James D Homme, > Usability Engineering > Highmark Inc. > james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx > 412-544-1810 > > "It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is to > wait until I think I > can do it just right." > > > > > "Sina Bahram" > <sbahram@xxxxxxxx > m> To > Sent by: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > programmingblind- cc > bounce@freelists. > org Subject > RE: jaws9 beta > > 10/04/2007 08:00 > PM > > > Please respond to > programmingblind@ > freelists.org > > > > > > > That Sina poster was me, and I'm doing it again, until folks get it. > > Take care, > Sina > > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew2007 > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:46 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: jaws9 beta > > Very good point, but you're venturing into the venue of the JFW list > rather > than this programming list. Furthermore that sonia poster has already > posted > the necessary info to send jaws bugs a couple of days ago. > > Matthew > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Harmon" <rickharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:50 PM > Subject: Re: jaws9 beta > > >> How about so others here can duplicate problems so more of us can report >> bugs to FS so they can be fixed? >> >> Rick >> >> >> -- >> Visit my webpage and podcast feed at: >> http://www.blind-geek-zone.net >> and my web Blog at: >> http://blind-geek-zone.blogspot.com/ >> Join the BGZ mailing list by sending a blank email message to: >> blind_geek_zone-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> and put subscribe in the subject line. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Matthew2007" <matthew2007@xxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:07 PM >> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta >> >> >> This below is an example of why it would not be a good idea for this list > >> to >> allow any discussion regarding jaws 9. People conveying their problems >> with >> the beta will serve absolutely no purpose as nothing can be done by any > of >> us and the final release could be a very different monster. Why spend so >> much time and effort discussing a work in progress? Its completely >> redundant >> work and effort. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Matthew >> ---- Original Message ----- >> From: <Tristan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:53 PM >> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> One problm about jfw 9.0 I am really having trouble with is that when I >>> have it first starting up when I boot my computer up, it doesn't tell me >>> when messages are unread in Outlook Express. I have to restart my JAWS >>> 9.0 >>> to make it say the unread notification before it reads the message >>> subject, and who it is from. It is wierd. Tell me what you guys think. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tristan Bussiere >>> Founder, ACE Games >>> http://www.acegamesonline.net >>> >>> Skype: tristanbussiere >>> MSN: Tristan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta >>> >>> >>> totally agreed, reporting is great, anything else other than proposing >>> fixes >>> until FS gets to it, and I would say Pass those fixes to FS as well as > us >>> would be a good thing, but any more than that is bellyaching and I agree >>> that it should be cut off, smile >>> >>> thanks, >>> inthane >>> . For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and >>> Links >>> to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me at: >>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com >>> . to be able to view a simple programming project in several programming >>> languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at: >>> http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:53 AM >>> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> Saying what is wrong and confirming it among list members is fine. Going >>> on >>> for days about it isn't. I will go that far and I feel that's OK. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> James D Homme, >>> Usability Engineering >>> Highmark Inc. >>> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>> 412-544-1810 >>> >>> "It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is to >>> wait until I think I >>> can do it just right." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Marlon Brandão >>> de Sousa" >>> <splyt.lists@gmai > To >>> l.com> programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Sent by: > cc >>> programmingblind- >>> bounce@freelists. > Subject >>> org Re: jaws9 beta >>> >>> >>> 10/04/2007 02:33 >>> PM >>> >>> >>> Please respond to >>> programmingblind@ >>> freelists.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Agree, specially in terms of related programming things such as how it >>> works with vs and such. >>> Marlon >>> >>> 2007/10/4, inthaneelf <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: >>>> I hear what your saying Jim, but knowing what is "not quite right" in >>>> the >>> j9 >>>> beta would be helpful to the rest of us, eh? >>>> >>>> yes most definitely let if s know, but I would like to know as well, >>> smile >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> inthane >>>> . For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and >>> Links >>>> to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me at: >>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com >>>> . to be able to view a simple programming project in several > programming >>>> languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at: >>>> http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:57 AM >>>> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta >>>> >>>> >>>> > Hi, >>>> > I totally agree with this, and instead of complaining on this list, >>> please >>>> > constructively take the time to report issues to FS. >>>> > >>>> > Jim >>>> > >>>> > James D Homme, >>>> > Usability Engineering >>>> > Highmark Inc. >>>> > james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> > 412-544-1810 >>>> > >>>> > "It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is >>> to >>>> > wait until I think I >>>> > can do it just right." >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > "Sina Bahram" >>>> > <sbahram@xxxxxxxx >>>> > m> >>> To >>>> > Sent by: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> > programmingblind- >>> cc >>>> > bounce@freelists. >>>> > org >>> Subject >>>> > jaws9 beta >>>> > >>>> > 10/02/2007 08:28 >>>> > PM >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Please respond to >>>> > programmingblind@ >>>> > freelists.org >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I would urge all of you to report like crazy. >>>> > >>>> > I've already filed at least six bugs, if not more, and I am hoping >>>> > that >>> my >>>> > experience with the .net bugs repeats itself and they fix these >>>> > things. >>>> > >>>> > Obviously, don't make them frivolous, and try not to make them > useless >>> bug >>>> > reports such as those that are the fault of a particular software >>>> > application, instead of FS doing something wrong in jaws, but I hope >>> they >>>> > will take them to heart. >>>> > >>>> > the email address you should report to is: >>>> > >>>> > support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> > >>>> > I've been using the subject prefix of: >>>> > >>>> > jaws9 beta bug report >>>> > >>>> > followed by a colon followed by a space and then a short subject for >>> the >>>> > problem. >>>> > >>>> > It helps them a great deal if you include steps on how to reproduce >>>> > the >>>> > bug. >>>> > >>>> > Good luck all >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Take care, >>>> > Sina >>>> > >>>> > __________ >>>> > View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > __________ >>>> > View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> __________ >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows," people just >>> stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, for >>> free." >>> Linus Torvalds >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >>> >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >>> >>> __________ NOD32 2572 (20071004) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> >> __________ >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >> __________ >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2572 (20071004) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind