Thanks Ken!I want to learn to script but I guess I'm better off finishing what I have already started.
I've got a good start in C and I'm now learning about Pointers. So far so good! So Communicator and jaws scripting will have to wait.I think it's a good idea for a beginner to concentrate on only one task/language at once.
Hope that makes sense! On 25.10.2010 12:33, Ken Perry wrote:
Well if I had a package to use I probably could make it work as good if not better than windows live. Making scripts is not that hard using the home row or what is now called the script utility and a bit of tinkering. If you want to know how to go about it and have specific questions just ask and I can help as much as I can without the actual program. ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 4:53 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue. No, it's a separate package. One server package and the Communicator client running on the workstation. JAWS doesn't speak incoming messages at all, but I read them in Braille so I'm good. But it's slower, especially if I have a lot of conversations going at the same time. On 25.10.2010 05:35, Ken Perry wrote:Don't think I have tried that does it come with office 2007 and if yes how do I run it? Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 4:39 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue. Hi: At work I'm forced to use Office Communicator 2007 R2. JAWS 11 doesn't handle Communicator particularly well either. Some tips from you script guru's? I don't *need* Live Messenger at home but it's quite nice when I just want to chat. I'll guess I will just install Live Messenger 2009 again when I have calmed down<smile> On 24.10.2010 04:49, Ken Perry wrote:It looks like they renamed just about every class control they could and they added a tabbed control to contain all the conversations. They also screwed up the way they group individual conversations by the same personbyremoving the options to not group texts from the same person. There arealot of changes but it looks like it would be about a day of work forsomeonewho really wanted to sit down and get it done. I don't have the timebutIwas able to get it to talk the conversations, with only changing a couple classes. I need it for work I am doing so I reverted to an older one. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dennis Brown Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 9:09 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue. Thanks. I wrote the original script set for Windows Live when it firstcameout, and we had been trying to get them to set some sort of standardstaticdelimiter between message threads, but they stuck with double carriage returns, which wasn't consistent. Also, given it is a DirectUI window class--a single window with controls, sort of like a terminal application--we had to go with an almostexclusiveMSAA solution, but it too was inconsistent. Haven't looked at the app in a few years--since leaving FS, so I'm notsurewhat has changed. Thanks, Dennis Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry"<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 7:53 PM Subject: RE: fix for the windows live messenger issue. The newest windows live messenger that you will get if you upgrade your windows live software needs to have some script fixes if you use jaws.Italso has some problems with system access and I have not tried it with window-eyes or nvda yet. All the controls are accessible the screen readers are just not handling them very well which is understandable when it comes to the historywindowbecause they took the option away to to not group messages from samepersonbut Oh well we will overcome. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dennis Brown Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:33 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue. Coming in late on this thread, what is the Windows Live issue with Jaws we're discussing? Thanks, Dennis Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "Øyvind Lode"<oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 4:24 PM Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.Yep. That would be very nice. FS has to modify a lot of scripts to keep up with new versions of Live Messenger etc. Why can't MS make Live Messenger etc fully accessible to JAWS,Window-Eyesetc out of the box? On 23.10.2010 22:08, Ken Perry wrote:Hmm the msn client that is out is accessible it just has not been scripted in a real world Jaws would have advanced enough and so would havesystemaccess and window eyes to deal with these simple windows withoutscripts.Oh well. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:15 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue. Anyway in my next life I'll code a nice accessible MSN client. In my current life I'm busy trying to learn to program. I'm currently learning about Pointers in C. On 23.10.2010 20:05, Ken Perry wrote:It is not separate because I updated m the security essentials and it upgraded all my live apps. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ØyvindLodeSent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 1:57 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue. I'm talking about Windows Live Essentials which includes Windows Live Messenger, Live Mail, Silverlight etc. Microsoft Security Essentials a complete different package and I actually love that anti virus app. It's actually the first virus app that have stayed over 1 month on my PC. MS Security Essentials don't slow down my machine which is great. Ok, I was a little frustrated. In a perfect world MS and FS should collaborate closer and popularappslike Windows Live Messenger should be 100% accessible to us when released. But I guess that's never going to happen! I've never tried a Mac but I know you use one and as I understand it there are issues... But I have ordered an iPhone and look forward to play with my first Apple device. On 23.10.2010 19:14, Ken Perry wrote:Email's like this are very funny. First off if it was not for Essentials some of the viruses I have run into both at work and home would not have been caught and that includes all the most used nod32 Norton andmcfee.Second if people did stuff like this in the past we would have dumped Microsoft when IE 6 came out and none of us could use it. I willgiveJawstill 12 to fix it then I will scrap windows live messenger but thereisnoway I will drop essentials. Oh one more thing. You could have unchecked the box at update time that said update all windows live programs. Thenyoucould have chosen to only update essentials or others but not windowslive.I actually updated all to see if it was still accessible. I haveskypetillit is fixed and there is no reason to blow a gasket. Welcome to accessibility lag. The screen readers cannot keep up not even Mac screen reader keeps up. I know cause I have the beta on the IPhone andlet'sjustsay I have found 4 accessibility lags there maybe just maybe if someofuswere beta testing the windows live and working on the scripts this wouldnothave been a problem. Windows live messenger is accessible thescriptsjustneed a bit of tweaking maybe if the scripts are open enough I will go see what is erroring. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ØyvindLodeSent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 8:06 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue. I have killed Live Messenger and all additional tools installed bytheLive Essentials package. I will never install a M$ Live crap program again. I would like to try Miranda but as Tyler said it seems hard to get up and running. I can't find any up to date JAWS scripts either. I've seen a lot of frustration towards Apple on this list recently. But in my opinion M$ is even worse. On 23.10.2010 00:35, Tyler Littlefield wrote:-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I thought about Miranda, but getting it going seems to be a pain. a plugin here, a plugin there, a script here... and google shows lotsofthem that are old and outdated (running on jaws 4.0)... Is there a good source for a nice clean accessible miranda? On 10/22/2010 4:15 PM, Jared Wright wrote:I just use aggragate clients--Miranda on Windows, Pidgin on Linux. All those branded IM clients have far greater problems than their substandard accessibility implementations. On 10/22/2010 04:56 PM, Ken Perry wrote:I just joined the teeny boppers and use skype till its fixed. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler Littlefield Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 1:35 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: fix for the windows live messenger issue.Hello all, I just remembered my friend had this same problem. Good news: There isacopy of windows live that still works: at oldversion.com, it'scalledmsn messenger. it says beta in the title, but hell, it works untilfsfinds a fix and decides to charge you another SMA, then you canupgrade.Enjoy! -- Thanks, Tyler Littlefield__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind- -- Thanks, Tyler Littlefield -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMwhGjAAoJELDPyrppriJPtmcH/2/q2jduwVxbgQmXOQjIKvnp b/c/1X039moDzu/Xv+19DoLW703v95WElUK8bKuL03AJ36aXPORNlrcZHTwOeKbg fJaN4FMdx4hqSX44j8+7DQKIsu7M1zMwY76dq0ulNEfOIF12YsK7xmnjNkC4K9ND /WXv9S0c+Yx2qyyUV7igUoA7IixKoqztwwloP8UCWxAvQlk7blY5Y47bo5lCfU8M nbZlij4ULYe52garFzcsW/K8Tk+APM+xVyDr4al4WcDAD7X4m6B5V22Afs2d/Xrt oX3Q2IiHbAMuUgEKNsZs/I/BaSeYkmGKmxzbFey/pYW/Ih2tNQI+8RdzYKnpfPU= =b49F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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