RE: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 23:35:26 -0400
Don't think I have tried that does it come with office 2007 and if yes how
do I run it?
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 4:39 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
Hi:
At work I'm forced to use Office Communicator 2007 R2.
JAWS 11 doesn't handle Communicator particularly well either.
Some tips from you script guru's?
I don't *need* Live Messenger at home but it's quite nice when I just
want to chat.
I'll guess I will just install Live Messenger 2009 again when I have
calmed down <smile>
On 24.10.2010 04:49, Ken Perry wrote:
> It looks like they renamed just about every class control they could and
> they added a tabbed control to contain all the conversations. They also
> screwed up the way they group individual conversations by the same person
by
> removing the options to not group texts from the same person. There are a
> lot of changes but it looks like it would be about a day of work for
someone
> who really wanted to sit down and get it done. I don't have the time but
I
> was able to get it to talk the conversations, with only changing a couple
> classes.
>
> I need it for work I am doing so I reverted to an older one.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dennis Brown
> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 9:09 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
>
> Thanks. I wrote the original script set for Windows Live when it first
came
>
> out, and we had been trying to get them to set some sort of standard
static
> delimiter between message threads, but they stuck with double carriage
> returns, which wasn't consistent.
> Also, given it is a DirectUI window class--a single window with controls,
> sort of like a terminal application--we had to go with an almost exclusive
> MSAA solution, but it too was inconsistent.
> Haven't looked at the app in a few years--since leaving FS, so I'm not
sure
> what has changed.
>
> Thanks,
> Dennis Brown
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Perry"<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 7:53 PM
> Subject: RE: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
>
>
> The newest windows live messenger that you will get if you upgrade your
> windows live software needs to have some script fixes if you use jaws. It
> also has some problems with system access and I have not tried it with
> window-eyes or nvda yet.
>
> All the controls are accessible the screen readers are just not handling
> them very well which is understandable when it comes to the history window
> because they took the option away to to not group messages from same
person
> but Oh well we will overcome.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dennis Brown
> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:33 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
>
> Coming in late on this thread, what is the Windows Live issue with Jaws
> we're discussing?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Dennis Brown
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Øyvind Lode"<oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxxx>
> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 4:24 PM
> Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
>
>
>> Yep.
>> That would be very nice.
>> FS has to modify a lot of scripts to keep up with new versions of Live
>> Messenger etc.
>>
>> Why can't MS make Live Messenger etc fully accessible to JAWS,
Window-Eyes
>
>> etc out of the box?
>>
>> On 23.10.2010 22:08, Ken Perry wrote:
>>> Hmm the msn client that is out is accessible it just has not been
>>> scripted
>>> in a real world Jaws would have advanced enough and so would have system
>>> access and window eyes to deal with these simple windows without
scripts.
>>> Oh well.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:15 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
>>>
>>> Anyway in my next life I'll code a nice accessible MSN client.
>>> In my current life I'm busy trying to learn to program.
>>> I'm currently learning about Pointers in C.
>>>
>>> On 23.10.2010 20:05, Ken Perry wrote:
>>>> It is not separate because I updated m the security essentials and it
>>>> upgraded all my live apps.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 1:57 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
>>>>
>>>> I'm talking about Windows Live Essentials which includes Windows Live
>>>> Messenger, Live Mail, Silverlight etc.
>>>> Microsoft Security Essentials a complete different package and I
>>>> actually love that anti virus app.
>>>> It's actually the first virus app that have stayed over 1 month on my
>>>> PC.
>>>> MS Security Essentials don't slow down my machine which is great.
>>>>
>>>> Ok, I was a little frustrated.
>>>> In a perfect world MS and FS should collaborate closer and popular apps
>>>> like Windows Live Messenger should be 100% accessible to us when
>>>> released.
>>>> But I guess that's never going to happen!
>>>>
>>>> I've never tried a Mac but I know you use one and as I understand it
>>>> there are issues...
>>>> But I have ordered an iPhone and look forward to play with my first
>>>> Apple device.
>>>>
>>>> On 23.10.2010 19:14, Ken Perry wrote:
>>>>> Email's like this are very funny. First off if it was not for
>>>>> Essentials
>>>>> some of the viruses I have run into both at work and home would not
>>>>> have
>>>>> been caught and that includes all the most used nod32 Norton and
mcfee.
>>>>> Second if people did stuff like this in the past we would have dumped
>>>>> Microsoft when IE 6 came out and none of us could use it. I will give
>>>> Jaws
>>>>> till 12 to fix it then I will scrap windows live messenger but there
is
>>> no
>>>>> way I will drop essentials. Oh one more thing. You could have
>>>>> unchecked
>>>>> the box at update time that said update all windows live programs.
>>>>> Then
>>>> you
>>>>> could have chosen to only update essentials or others but not windows
>>>> live.
>>>>> I actually updated all to see if it was still accessible. I have
skype
>>>> till
>>>>> it is fixed and there is no reason to blow a gasket. Welcome to
>>>>> accessibility lag. The screen readers cannot keep up not even Mac
>>>>> screen
>>>>> reader keeps up. I know cause I have the beta on the IPhone and let's
>>>> just
>>>>> say I have found 4 accessibility lags there maybe just maybe if some
of
>>> us
>>>>> were beta testing the windows live and working on the scripts this
>>>>> would
>>>> not
>>>>> have been a problem. Windows live messenger is accessible the scripts
>>>> just
>>>>> need a bit of tweaking maybe if the scripts are open enough I will go
>>>>> see
>>>>> what is erroring.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind
Lode
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 8:06 AM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have killed Live Messenger and all additional tools installed by the
>>>>> Live Essentials package.
>>>>> I will never install a M$ Live crap program again.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to try Miranda but as Tyler said it seems hard to get up
>>>>> and running.
>>>>> I can't find any up to date JAWS scripts either.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen a lot of frustration towards Apple on this list recently.
>>>>> But in my opinion M$ is even worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23.10.2010 00:35, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
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>>>>>> I thought about Miranda, but getting it going seems to be a pain. a
>>>>>> plugin here, a plugin there, a script here... and google shows lots
of
>>>>>> them that are old and outdated (running on jaws 4.0)... Is there a
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> source for a nice clean accessible miranda?
>>>>>> On 10/22/2010 4:15 PM, Jared Wright wrote:
>>>>>>> I just use aggragate clients--Miranda on Windows, Pidgin on Linux.
>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>> those branded IM clients have far greater problems than their
>>>>>>> substandard accessibility implementations.
>>>>>>> On 10/22/2010 04:56 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>> I just joined the teeny boppers and use skype till its fixed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler
>>>>>>>> Littlefield
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 1:35 AM
>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Subject: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>> I just remembered my friend had this same problem. Good news: There
>>>>>>> is
>>> a
>>>>>>> copy of windows live that still works: at oldversion.com, it's
called
>>>>>>> msn messenger. it says beta in the title, but hell, it works until
fs
>>>>>>> finds a fix and decides to charge you another SMA, then you can
>>> upgrade.
>>>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>>>> -- Thanks,
>>>>>>> Tyler Littlefield
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>>>>>> - --
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Tyler Littlefield
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