RE: fix for the windows live messenger issue.

The  newest windows live messenger that you will get if you upgrade your
windows live software needs to have some script fixes if you use jaws.  It
also has some problems with system access and I have not tried it with
window-eyes or nvda yet.

All the controls are accessible the screen readers are just not handling
them very well which is understandable when it comes to the history window
because they took the option away to to not group messages from same person
but Oh well we will overcome.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dennis Brown
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:33 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.

Coming in late on this thread, what is the Windows Live issue with Jaws 
we're discussing?


Thanks,
Dennis Brown

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.


> Yep.
> That would be very nice.
> FS has to modify a lot of scripts to keep up with new versions of Live 
> Messenger etc.
>
> Why can't MS make Live Messenger etc fully accessible to JAWS, Window-Eyes

> etc out of the box?
>
> On 23.10.2010 22:08, Ken Perry wrote:
>> Hmm the msn client that is out is accessible it just has not been 
>> scripted
>> in a real world Jaws would have advanced enough and so would have system
>> access and window eyes to deal with these simple windows without scripts.
>> Oh well.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:15 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
>>
>> Anyway in my next life I'll code a nice accessible MSN client.
>> In my current life I'm busy trying to learn to program.
>> I'm currently learning about Pointers in C.
>>
>> On 23.10.2010 20:05, Ken Perry wrote:
>>> It is not separate because I updated m the security essentials and it
>>> upgraded all my live apps.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 1:57 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
>>>
>>> I'm talking about Windows Live Essentials which includes Windows Live
>>> Messenger, Live Mail, Silverlight etc.
>>> Microsoft Security Essentials a complete different package and I
>>> actually love that anti virus app.
>>> It's actually the first virus app that have stayed over 1 month on my 
>>> PC.
>>> MS Security Essentials don't slow down my machine which is great.
>>>
>>> Ok, I was a little frustrated.
>>> In a perfect world MS and FS should collaborate closer and popular apps
>>> like Windows Live Messenger should be 100% accessible to us when 
>>> released.
>>> But I guess that's never going to happen!
>>>
>>> I've never tried a Mac but I know you use one and as I understand it
>>> there are issues...
>>> But I have ordered an iPhone and look forward to play with my first
>>> Apple device.
>>>
>>> On 23.10.2010 19:14, Ken Perry wrote:
>>>> Email's like this are very funny.  First off if it was not for 
>>>> Essentials
>>>> some of the viruses I have run into both at work and home would not 
>>>> have
>>>> been caught and that includes all the most used nod32 Norton and mcfee.
>>>> Second if people did stuff like this in the past we would have dumped
>>>> Microsoft when IE 6 came out and none of us could use it.  I will give
>>> Jaws
>>>> till 12 to fix it then I will scrap windows live messenger but there is
>> no
>>>> way I will drop essentials.  Oh one more thing.  You could have 
>>>> unchecked
>>>> the box at update time that said update all windows live programs. 
>>>> Then
>>> you
>>>> could have chosen to only update essentials or others but not windows
>>> live.
>>>> I actually updated all to see if it was still accessible.  I have skype
>>> till
>>>> it is fixed and there is no reason to blow a gasket.  Welcome to
>>>> accessibility lag.  The screen readers cannot keep up not even Mac 
>>>> screen
>>>> reader keeps up.  I know cause I have the beta on the IPhone and let's
>>> just
>>>> say I have found 4 accessibility lags there maybe just maybe if some of
>> us
>>>> were beta testing the windows live and working on the scripts this 
>>>> would
>>> not
>>>> have been a problem.  Windows live messenger is accessible the scripts
>>> just
>>>> need a bit of tweaking maybe if the scripts are open enough I will go 
>>>> see
>>>> what is erroring.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 8:06 AM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
>>>>
>>>> I have killed Live Messenger and all additional tools installed by the
>>>> Live Essentials package.
>>>> I will never install a M$ Live crap program again.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to try Miranda but as Tyler said it seems hard to get up
>>>> and running.
>>>> I can't find any up to date JAWS scripts either.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen a lot of frustration towards Apple on this list recently.
>>>> But in my opinion M$ is even worse.
>>>>
>>>> On 23.10.2010 00:35, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
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>>>>> I thought about Miranda, but getting it going seems to  be a pain. a
>>>>> plugin here, a plugin there, a script here... and google shows lots of
>>>>> them that are old and outdated (running on jaws 4.0)... Is there a 
>>>>> good
>>>>> source for a nice clean accessible miranda?
>>>>> On 10/22/2010 4:15 PM, Jared Wright wrote:
>>>>>> I just use aggragate clients--Miranda on Windows, Pidgin on Linux. 
>>>>>> All
>>>>>> those branded IM clients have far greater problems than their
>>>>>> substandard accessibility implementations.
>>>>>> On 10/22/2010 04:56 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>>>>>>> I just joined the teeny boppers and use skype till its fixed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler
>>>>>>> Littlefield
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 1:35 AM
>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>> I just remembered my friend had this same problem. Good news: There 
>>>>>> is
>> a
>>>>>> copy of windows live that still works: at oldversion.com, it's called
>>>>>> msn messenger. it says beta in the title, but hell, it works until fs
>>>>>> finds a fix and decides to charge you another SMA, then you can
>> upgrade.
>>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>>> -- Thanks,
>>>>>> Tyler Littlefield
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