Re: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python

Sighted had nothing to do with it, except the sighted guys I work with seem not to realise that I don't 'see' the controls/parts of the interface they want me to click on...LOL!


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'

----- Original Message ----- From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python


great, according to this things I am sighted:)
Hurey!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Moss" <Katherine.Moss@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:14 PM
Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python


I heard the same thing, guys, so no worries there.

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 1:34 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python

Hi,
No. He didn't do that. I kno he didn't. Because he knows that the NVDA people use it and they are blind. Where's my candy?

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:58 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python

*blinks a few times*

Wait, did you just imply that source control is only for sighties?

Uhm ... surely I misread?

Take care,
Sina


-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:15 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python

Well, maybe the sighted guys here want to make use of the version control stuff, but, no worries - wasn't in any way complaining about any input from this side...<smile>

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'


----- Original Message ---------------

Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
  From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:00:32 -0400
    To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Jacob,
I'd say maybe these things. First, automatic code formatting. Second,
it will keep your project files all together for you. Then,
it has CVS, for working in teams. Other than that, I'd say it's not all that useful, or at least to me it's not. The only reason I started messing with it in Java is because I was anticipating that I was going to be told to learn Java, and because the development environment here is based on it. Other than that, give me EdSharp. If I don't like how it works, I can write code snippets for myself. Plus, I really like the indentation features and the little JAWS stuff I tweaked it with. Didn't mean to sound like I was blowing my horn there. Sorry.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:55 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python

Well, eclipse just makes no sense to me - as in, the nasty/honest version is what's the point of trying to use it?

As in, firstly, what does it offer, and how are you then meant to do
basic things, like navigate what you'd call something like the
parent folder of your project, etc?

Sorry, but I will have to find out from the other developers this side
why they need/want to use eclipse at all if you understand
what I mean, since for basic python work, edSharp is more than good enough, using it along with command line calls to test/try run things, and for windows executables, I have put together py2exe if I want to generate stand alone executables for the current stuff I have gotten around to trying out in python - all command line thus far.

Anyway, I mean, thanks for your efforts, but am not really finding any
reasons why using eclipse for python development work makes
much sense at all thus far..?

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'


----- Original Message ---------------

Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
  From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 10:41:08 -0400
    To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Jacob,
I can try to install PyDev here and see if maybe we can compare notes.
I have JAWS 11, and soon 12, available. This machine is XP
Professional, SP2. I forget, what were the specific issues? And if it will help you, I can see if I can extract the PyDev documentation, assuming I get it installed correctly. Maybe I'd better go and get Python first. This may take a little longer than I thought. I'll do it if you like, still, though.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:28 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python

Ok, just double checked in readme.htm file, and it reckons it's version 3.6.2 FWIW.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'

----- Original Message ---------------

Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
  From: Jacob Kruger <jacobk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 16:21:04 +0200
    To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

We did use something on the help menu to make sure certain plugins
were installed, but I can't change the version currently have
since something to do with licensing of certain plugins or something, but will just double check on that one with the guys this side as well, but it's taken them a bit of time to get to downloading even this version, with it's specific add ons, etc., so let's see.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'


----- Original Message ---------------

Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
  From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 09:38:05 -0400
    To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Jacob,
The version I am using is 3.6. I am working on JAWS scripts for it,
so I destroyed it and installed it again, so I could make
sure I was using the default settings. I don't have PyDev installed right now. Are you able to get 3.6? I forget most of what I learned about Python, so I expect to be very little help there. If you get 3.6, you can go into the Help menu and install stuff. I was thinking of trying out the Web Tools Plug-in, since I'm going to be doing a lot of HTML work soon.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:19 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python

The test project just tried creating was in fact a pydev project,
but it didn't seem to mean much in terms of any relation to
how the interface/IDE is meant to then have any real relevance to python development - let me choose items to add from a list of python relevant things, like class, etc., but still.

Sorry, but have never really looked into eclipse before, and the
eclipse specific tutorial material I got along with this whole
version of it, is just pretty much minimal actual text, and a bunch of scanned images, so it hasn't meant too much to me either...<smile>

Like said, I think the idea would be to allow eclipse to help manage
references to classes/modules, and maybe help with
compiling/wrapping the python code into then relevant executable versions or something, but not too sure on that either.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'

----- Original Message ---------------

Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
  From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 08:04:03 -0400
    To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Jacob,
I have no practical experience with this, but try PyDev for Eclipse.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:58 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python

Ok, I do have the sound effect jaws scripts installed, and have
been going through some other python tutorial material, and
python itself makes enough sense to me, but eclipse seems really pretty much useless/pointless, aside from the fact that I might need to use it for a specific type of work that has had a bunch of plugins installed into eclipse.

I can sort of tell it to do things like create a project, but I
would then sort of expect things like solution explorers, etc.,
but don't seem to find anything of any real interest here...?

I am also now planning to look at the following comparison between
VS and eclipse interface, but they do, unfortunately mention
diagrams, etc., so it's obviously targeting sighted guys:
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-eclipse-vis
ualstudio/?ca=dgr-btw01Eclipse-VS#ibm-content

Aside from that, EdSharp works perfectly well enough/fine for me
with regard to editing python source, so might need to try
figure out if can in fact implement these specific plugins without using eclipse - don't see why it shouldn't be possible since think the actual eclipse IDE plugins are more related to automatic code generation/wizards, etc., but will have to double check on that one.

Anyway, just wondering if anyone else has done much with things
like eclipse and python combinations, or if, aside from intro
material along with scripts, are there any other types of material related to getting used to the jumbled up interface that eclipse seems to make use of..?

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'

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