RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
- From: Jacob Kruger <jacobk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 17:14:58 +0200
Well, maybe the sighted guys here want to make use of the version control
stuff, but, no worries - wasn't in any way complaining about any input from
this side...<smile>
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
----- Original Message ---------------
Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:00:32 -0400
To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Hi Jacob,
>I'd say maybe these things. First, automatic code formatting. Second, it will
>keep your project files all together for you. Then, it has CVS, for working in
>teams. Other than that, I'd say it's not all that useful, or at least to me
>it's not. The only reason I started messing with it in Java is because I was
>anticipating that I was going to be told to learn Java, and because the
>development environment here is based on it. Other than that, give me EdSharp.
>If I don't like how it works, I can write code snippets for myself. Plus, I
>really like the indentation features and the little JAWS stuff I tweaked it
>with. Didn't mean to sound like I was blowing my horn there. Sorry.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:55 AM
>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>
>Well, eclipse just makes no sense to me - as in, the nasty/honest version is
>what's the point of trying to use it?
>
>As in, firstly, what does it offer, and how are you then meant to do basic
>things, like navigate what you'd call something like the parent folder of your
>project, etc?
>
>Sorry, but I will have to find out from the other developers this side why
>they need/want to use eclipse at all if you understand what I mean, since for
>basic python work, edSharp is more than good enough, using it along with
>command line calls to test/try run things, and for windows executables, I have
>put together py2exe if I want to generate stand alone executables for the
>current stuff I have gotten around to trying out in python - all command line
>thus far.
>
>Anyway, I mean, thanks for your efforts, but am not really finding any reasons
>why using eclipse for python development work makes much sense at all thus
>far..?
>
>Stay well
>
>Jacob Kruger
>Blind Biker
>Skype: BlindZA
>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>
>
>----- Original Message ---------------
>
>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 10:41:08 -0400
> To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>>Hi Jacob,
>>I can try to install PyDev here and see if maybe we can compare notes. I have
>>JAWS 11, and soon 12, available. This machine is XP Professional, SP2. I
>>forget, what were the specific issues? And if it will help you, I can see if
>>I can extract the PyDev documentation, assuming I get it installed correctly.
>>Maybe I'd better go and get Python first. This may take a little longer than
>>I thought. I'll do it if you like, still, though.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:28 AM
>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>
>>Ok, just double checked in readme.htm file, and it reckons it's version 3.6.2
>>FWIW.
>>
>>Stay well
>>
>>Jacob Kruger
>>Blind Biker
>>Skype: BlindZA
>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>
>>----- Original Message ---------------
>>
>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>> From: Jacob Kruger <jacobk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 16:21:04 +0200
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>>We did use something on the help menu to make sure certain plugins were
>>>installed, but I can't change the version currently have since something to
>>>do with licensing of certain plugins or something, but will just double
>>>check on that one with the guys this side as well, but it's taken them a bit
>>>of time to get to downloading even this version, with it's specific add ons,
>>>etc., so let's see.
>>>
>>>Stay well
>>>
>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>Blind Biker
>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ---------------
>>>
>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 09:38:05 -0400
>>> To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>>Hi Jacob,
>>>>The version I am using is 3.6. I am working on JAWS scripts for it, so I
>>>>destroyed it and installed it again, so I could make sure I was using the
>>>>default settings. I don't have PyDev installed right now. Are you able to
>>>>get 3.6? I forget most of what I learned about Python, so I expect to be
>>>>very little help there. If you get 3.6, you can go into the Help menu and
>>>>install stuff. I was thinking of trying out the Web Tools Plug-in, since
>>>>I'm going to be doing a lot of HTML work soon.
>>>>
>>>>Jim
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:19 AM
>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>
>>>>The test project just tried creating was in fact a pydev project, but it
>>>>didn't seem to mean much in terms of any relation to how the interface/IDE
>>>>is meant to then have any real relevance to python development - let me
>>>>choose items to add from a list of python relevant things, like class,
>>>>etc., but still.
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, but have never really looked into eclipse before, and the eclipse
>>>>specific tutorial material I got along with this whole version of it, is
>>>>just pretty much minimal actual text, and a bunch of scanned images, so it
>>>>hasn't meant too much to me either...<smile>
>>>>
>>>>Like said, I think the idea would be to allow eclipse to help manage
>>>>references to classes/modules, and maybe help with compiling/wrapping the
>>>>python code into then relevant executable versions or something, but not
>>>>too sure on that either.
>>>>
>>>>Stay well
>>>>
>>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>>Blind Biker
>>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ---------------
>>>>
>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 08:04:03 -0400
>>>> To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Jacob,
>>>>>I have no practical experience with this, but try PyDev for Eclipse.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:58 AM
>>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, I do have the sound effect jaws scripts installed, and have been going
>>>>>through some other python tutorial material, and python itself makes
>>>>>enough sense to me, but eclipse seems really pretty much
>>>>>useless/pointless, aside from the fact that I might need to use it for a
>>>>>specific type of work that has had a bunch of plugins installed into
>>>>>eclipse.
>>>>>
>>>>>I can sort of tell it to do things like create a project, but I would then
>>>>>sort of expect things like solution explorers, etc., but don't seem to
>>>>>find anything of any real interest here...?
>>>>>
>>>>>I am also now planning to look at the following comparison between VS and
>>>>>eclipse interface, but they do, unfortunately mention diagrams, etc., so
>>>>>it's obviously targeting sighted guys:
>>>>>http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-eclipse-visualstudio/?ca=dgr-btw01Eclipse-VS#ibm-content
>>>>>
>>>>>Aside from that, EdSharp works perfectly well enough/fine for me with
>>>>>regard to editing python source, so might need to try figure out if can in
>>>>>fact implement these specific plugins without using eclipse - don't see
>>>>>why it shouldn't be possible since think the actual eclipse IDE plugins
>>>>>are more related to automatic code generation/wizards, etc., but will have
>>>>>to double check on that one.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyway, just wondering if anyone else has done much with things like
>>>>>eclipse and python combinations, or if, aside from intro material along
>>>>>with scripts, are there any other types of material related to getting
>>>>>used to the jumbled up interface that eclipse seems to make use of..?
>>>>>
>>>>>Stay well
>>>>>
>>>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>>>Blind Biker
>>>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>
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