RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:39:00 -0400
Hi,
If you are doing GUI in .netwith Eclipse, you may possibly doing it with pure
code the way Jamal has done with HomerApp. If you're doing it in Java, you may
possibly doing it with the Standard Widget Toolkit (SWT).
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian-achtige
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:35 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
Question:
Someone here said they could do everything they need in Eclipse and
named .net development. That seems plausible but I am missing one
little thing. How are you doing GUI design in there?
Sorry if this has been covered before I am jst curious :D
Florian
2011/5/25, Homme, James <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Hi Jacob,
> Check out the process of doing Eclipse key bindings for the plug in to see
> if any commands show up.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 7:03 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>
> The one guy is now busy working on going through the specific tutorial
> material, and writing up descriptions for the screen captures, diagrams,
> etc., and then the idea would be for him to sit down next to me while we try
> going through parts of it, so in meantime I'm just carrying on with more
> general python reference/tutorial material, but let's see...
>
> Stay well
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>
>
> ----- Original Message ---------------
>
> Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 06:44:23 -0400
> To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>>Hi Jacob,
>>OK. Just say if you need something. Oh, and ask your mates if they can tab
>> to the stuff they want you to click on. Seriously, though, I just thought
>> of this. I wonder if whatever you are running has commands in Eclipse.
>> Perhaps you can change key strokes so that they get to what you need. Or
>> maybe you can talk to the plug-in developer and get keyboard support for
>> whatever this thing is.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:13 PM
>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: Re: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>
>>Sighted had nothing to do with it, except the sighted guys I work with seem
>>not to realise that I don't 'see' the controls/parts of the interface they
>>want me to click on...LOL!
>>
>>Jacob Kruger
>>Blind Biker
>>Skype: BlindZA
>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:24 PM
>>Subject: Re: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>
>>
>>> great, according to this things I am sighted:)
>>> Hurey!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Katherine Moss" <Katherine.Moss@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:14 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>
>>>
>>> I heard the same thing, guys, so no worries there.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 1:34 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> No. He didn't do that. I kno he didn't. Because he knows that the NVDA
>>> people use it and they are blind. Where's my candy?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:58 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>
>>> *blinks a few times*
>>>
>>> Wait, did you just imply that source control is only for sighties?
>>>
>>> Uhm ... surely I misread?
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>> Sina
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:15 AM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>
>>> Well, maybe the sighted guys here want to make use of the version control
>>> stuff, but, no worries - wasn't in any way complaining about any input
>>> from this side...<smile>
>>>
>>> Jacob Kruger
>>> Blind Biker
>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ---------------
>>>
>>> Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:00:32 -0400
>>> To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>>Hi Jacob,
>>>>I'd say maybe these things. First, automatic code formatting. Second,
>>>>it will keep your project files all together for you. Then,
>>> it has CVS, for working in teams. Other than that, I'd say it's not all
>>> that useful, or at least to me it's not. The only reason I started
>>> messing
>>> with it in Java is because I was anticipating that I was going to be told
>>> to learn Java, and because the development environment here is based on
>>> it. Other than that, give me EdSharp. If I don't like how it works, I can
>>> write code snippets for myself. Plus, I really like the indentation
>>> features and the little JAWS stuff I tweaked it with. Didn't mean to
>>> sound
>>> like I was blowing my horn there. Sorry.
>>>>
>>>>Jim
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob
>>>>Kruger
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:55 AM
>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>
>>>>Well, eclipse just makes no sense to me - as in, the nasty/honest version
>>>>is what's the point of trying to use it?
>>>>
>>>>As in, firstly, what does it offer, and how are you then meant to do
>>>>basic things, like navigate what you'd call something like the
>>> parent folder of your project, etc?
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, but I will have to find out from the other developers this side
>>>>why they need/want to use eclipse at all if you understand
>>> what I mean, since for basic python work, edSharp is more than good
>>> enough, using it along with command line calls to test/try run things,
>>> and
>>> for windows executables, I have put together py2exe if I want to generate
>>> stand alone executables for the current stuff I have gotten around to
>>> trying out in python - all command line thus far.
>>>>
>>>>Anyway, I mean, thanks for your efforts, but am not really finding any
>>>>reasons why using eclipse for python development work makes
>>> much sense at all thus far..?
>>>>
>>>>Stay well
>>>>
>>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>>Blind Biker
>>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ---------------
>>>>
>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 10:41:08 -0400
>>>> To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
>>>><programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Jacob,
>>>>>I can try to install PyDev here and see if maybe we can compare notes.
>>>>>I have JAWS 11, and soon 12, available. This machine is XP
>>> Professional, SP2. I forget, what were the specific issues? And if it
>>> will
>>> help you, I can see if I can extract the PyDev documentation, assuming I
>>> get it installed correctly. Maybe I'd better go and get Python first.
>>> This
>>> may take a little longer than I thought. I'll do it if you like, still,
>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob
>>>>>Kruger
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:28 AM
>>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, just double checked in readme.htm file, and it reckons it's version
>>>>>3.6.2 FWIW.
>>>>>
>>>>>Stay well
>>>>>
>>>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>>>Blind Biker
>>>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ---------------
>>>>>
>>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>> From: Jacob Kruger <jacobk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 16:21:04 +0200
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>>We did use something on the help menu to make sure certain plugins
>>>>>>were installed, but I can't change the version currently have
>>> since something to do with licensing of certain plugins or something, but
>>> will just double check on that one with the guys this side as well, but
>>> it's taken them a bit of time to get to downloading even this version,
>>> with it's specific add ons, etc., so let's see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Stay well
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>Blind Biker
>>>>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ---------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>>> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 09:38:05 -0400
>>>>>> To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
>>>>>><programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Jacob,
>>>>>>>The version I am using is 3.6. I am working on JAWS scripts for it,
>>>>>>>so I destroyed it and installed it again, so I could make
>>> sure I was using the default settings. I don't have PyDev installed right
>>> now. Are you able to get 3.6? I forget most of what I learned about
>>> Python, so I expect to be very little help there. If you get 3.6, you can
>>> go into the Help menu and install stuff. I was thinking of trying out the
>>> Web Tools Plug-in, since I'm going to be doing a lot of HTML work soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob
>>>>>>>Kruger
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:19 AM
>>>>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The test project just tried creating was in fact a pydev project,
>>>>>>>but it didn't seem to mean much in terms of any relation to
>>> how the interface/IDE is meant to then have any real relevance to python
>>> development - let me choose items to add from a list of python relevant
>>> things, like class, etc., but still.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sorry, but have never really looked into eclipse before, and the
>>>>>>>eclipse specific tutorial material I got along with this whole
>>> version of it, is just pretty much minimal actual text, and a bunch of
>>> scanned images, so it hasn't meant too much to me either...<smile>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Like said, I think the idea would be to allow eclipse to help manage
>>>>>>>references to classes/modules, and maybe help with
>>> compiling/wrapping the python code into then relevant executable versions
>>> or something, but not too sure on that either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Stay well
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>>Blind Biker
>>>>>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ---------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>>>> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 08:04:03 -0400
>>>>>>> To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
>>>>>>><programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi Jacob,
>>>>>>>>I have no practical experience with this, but try PyDev for Eclipse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob
>>>>>>>>Kruger
>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:58 AM
>>>>>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>Subject: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ok, I do have the sound effect jaws scripts installed, and have
>>>>>>>>been going through some other python tutorial material, and
>>> python itself makes enough sense to me, but eclipse seems really pretty
>>> much useless/pointless, aside from the fact that I might need to use it
>>> for a specific type of work that has had a bunch of plugins installed
>>> into
>>> eclipse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I can sort of tell it to do things like create a project, but I
>>>>>>>>would then sort of expect things like solution explorers, etc.,
>>> but don't seem to find anything of any real interest here...?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I am also now planning to look at the following comparison between
>>>>>>>>VS and eclipse interface, but they do, unfortunately mention
>>> diagrams, etc., so it's obviously targeting sighted guys:
>>>>>>>>http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-eclipse-vis
>>>>>>>>ualstudio/?ca=dgr-btw01Eclipse-VS#ibm-content
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Aside from that, EdSharp works perfectly well enough/fine for me
>>>>>>>>with regard to editing python source, so might need to try
>>> figure out if can in fact implement these specific plugins without using
>>> eclipse - don't see why it shouldn't be possible since think the actual
>>> eclipse IDE plugins are more related to automatic code
>>> generation/wizards,
>>> etc., but will have to double check on that one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyway, just wondering if anyone else has done much with things
>>>>>>>>like eclipse and python combinations, or if, aside from intro
>>> material along with scripts, are there any other types of material
>>> related
>>> to getting used to the jumbled up interface that eclipse seems to make
>>> use
>>> of..?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Stay well
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>>>Blind Biker
>>>>>>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>>>
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