RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:34:16 -0400
Hi,
No. He didn't do that. I kno he didn't. Because he knows that the NVDA people
use it and they are blind. Where's my candy?
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:58 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
*blinks a few times*
Wait, did you just imply that source control is only for sighties?
Uhm ... surely I misread?
Take care,
Sina
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:15 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
Well, maybe the sighted guys here want to make use of the version control
stuff, but, no worries - wasn't in any way complaining
about any input from this side...<smile>
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
----- Original Message ---------------
Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:00:32 -0400
To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Hi Jacob,
>I'd say maybe these things. First, automatic code formatting. Second, it will
>keep your project files all together for you. Then,
it has CVS, for working in teams. Other than that, I'd say it's not all that
useful, or at least to me it's not. The only reason I
started messing with it in Java is because I was anticipating that I was going
to be told to learn Java, and because the development
environment here is based on it. Other than that, give me EdSharp. If I don't
like how it works, I can write code snippets for
myself. Plus, I really like the indentation features and the little JAWS stuff
I tweaked it with. Didn't mean to sound like I was
blowing my horn there. Sorry.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:55 AM
>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>
>Well, eclipse just makes no sense to me - as in, the nasty/honest version is
>what's the point of trying to use it?
>
>As in, firstly, what does it offer, and how are you then meant to do basic
>things, like navigate what you'd call something like the
parent folder of your project, etc?
>
>Sorry, but I will have to find out from the other developers this side why
>they need/want to use eclipse at all if you understand
what I mean, since for basic python work, edSharp is more than good enough,
using it along with command line calls to test/try run
things, and for windows executables, I have put together py2exe if I want to
generate stand alone executables for the current stuff
I have gotten around to trying out in python - all command line thus far.
>
>Anyway, I mean, thanks for your efforts, but am not really finding any reasons
>why using eclipse for python development work makes
much sense at all thus far..?
>
>Stay well
>
>Jacob Kruger
>Blind Biker
>Skype: BlindZA
>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>
>
>----- Original Message ---------------
>
>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 10:41:08 -0400
> To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>>Hi Jacob,
>>I can try to install PyDev here and see if maybe we can compare notes. I have
>>JAWS 11, and soon 12, available. This machine is XP
Professional, SP2. I forget, what were the specific issues? And if it will help
you, I can see if I can extract the PyDev
documentation, assuming I get it installed correctly. Maybe I'd better go and
get Python first. This may take a little longer than I
thought. I'll do it if you like, still, though.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:28 AM
>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>
>>Ok, just double checked in readme.htm file, and it reckons it's version 3.6.2
>>FWIW.
>>
>>Stay well
>>
>>Jacob Kruger
>>Blind Biker
>>Skype: BlindZA
>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>
>>----- Original Message ---------------
>>
>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>> From: Jacob Kruger <jacobk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 16:21:04 +0200
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>>We did use something on the help menu to make sure certain plugins were
>>>installed, but I can't change the version currently have
since something to do with licensing of certain plugins or something, but will
just double check on that one with the guys this side
as well, but it's taken them a bit of time to get to downloading even this
version, with it's specific add ons, etc., so let's see.
>>>
>>>Stay well
>>>
>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>Blind Biker
>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ---------------
>>>
>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 09:38:05 -0400
>>> To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>>Hi Jacob,
>>>>The version I am using is 3.6. I am working on JAWS scripts for it, so I
>>>>destroyed it and installed it again, so I could make
sure I was using the default settings. I don't have PyDev installed right now.
Are you able to get 3.6? I forget most of what I
learned about Python, so I expect to be very little help there. If you get 3.6,
you can go into the Help menu and install stuff. I
was thinking of trying out the Web Tools Plug-in, since I'm going to be doing a
lot of HTML work soon.
>>>>
>>>>Jim
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:19 AM
>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>
>>>>The test project just tried creating was in fact a pydev project, but it
>>>>didn't seem to mean much in terms of any relation to
how the interface/IDE is meant to then have any real relevance to python
development - let me choose items to add from a list of
python relevant things, like class, etc., but still.
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, but have never really looked into eclipse before, and the eclipse
>>>>specific tutorial material I got along with this whole
version of it, is just pretty much minimal actual text, and a bunch of scanned
images, so it hasn't meant too much to me
either...<smile>
>>>>
>>>>Like said, I think the idea would be to allow eclipse to help manage
>>>>references to classes/modules, and maybe help with
compiling/wrapping the python code into then relevant executable versions or
something, but not too sure on that either.
>>>>
>>>>Stay well
>>>>
>>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>>Blind Biker
>>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ---------------
>>>>
>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 08:04:03 -0400
>>>> To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Jacob,
>>>>>I have no practical experience with this, but try PyDev for Eclipse.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:58 AM
>>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, I do have the sound effect jaws scripts installed, and have been going
>>>>>through some other python tutorial material, and
python itself makes enough sense to me, but eclipse seems really pretty much
useless/pointless, aside from the fact that I might
need to use it for a specific type of work that has had a bunch of plugins
installed into eclipse.
>>>>>
>>>>>I can sort of tell it to do things like create a project, but I would then
>>>>>sort of expect things like solution explorers, etc.,
but don't seem to find anything of any real interest here...?
>>>>>
>>>>>I am also now planning to look at the following comparison between VS and
>>>>>eclipse interface, but they do, unfortunately mention
diagrams, etc., so it's obviously targeting sighted guys:
>>>>>http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-eclipse-visualstudio/?ca=dgr-btw01Eclipse-VS#ibm-content
>>>>>
>>>>>Aside from that, EdSharp works perfectly well enough/fine for me with
>>>>>regard to editing python source, so might need to try
figure out if can in fact implement these specific plugins without using
eclipse - don't see why it shouldn't be possible since
think the actual eclipse IDE plugins are more related to automatic code
generation/wizards, etc., but will have to double check on
that one.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyway, just wondering if anyone else has done much with things like
>>>>>eclipse and python combinations, or if, aside from intro
material along with scripts, are there any other types of material related to
getting used to the jumbled up interface that eclipse
seems to make use of..?
>>>>>
>>>>>Stay well
>>>>>
>>>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>>>Blind Biker
>>>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>
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