Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:27:04 +0200
And in this case, why upgrading to Vista? Just because it might have a nicer
interface for the sighted which is completely unuseful for me?
As I said, I will upgrade only if MS will stop supporting XP, because the
security updates are really important.
Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
> try to answer your self at this question, where you've seen ever a newer
> windows consuming less sresources than previous versions?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:26 PM
> Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
>
>
>> Does that version consume less resources than Win XP?
>>
>> Octavian
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
>>
>>
>>> for the vista there is a better alternative named windows server 2008
>>> which is vista with out content protection and for this reason working
>>> with 18% better than vista.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well I guess those millions of users of Vista are those who use a
>>>> cracked version, and that's why their number doesn't show anywhere. :-)
>>>>
>>>> I think I will never use Vista. Or just like XP, I will use it, if the
>>>> next version of Windows will consume more resources than Vista and MS
>>>> won't support XP.
>>>>
>>>> Octavian
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "tribble" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <blind-windows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>>>> "bprogramming" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Science, Technology,
>>>> Mathematics, SCI-FI, and more." <sci-tech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:40 PM
>>>> Subject: Fw: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all -- What is your take on the following?
>>>>> --le
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:01:21 -0800
>>>>> From: John Oram <norami@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Reply-To: LifeRaft <survpc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: LifeRaft <survpc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/windows_vista_no_longer_matters.html
>>>>>
>>>>> October 26, 2008 7:15 PM
>>>>> Windows Vista No Longer Matters
>>>>>
>>>>> News Commentary. Did it ever?
>>>>>
>>>>> Make no mistake: Microsoft has moved beyond Windows Vista, which will
>>>>> become
>>>>> all too apparent during this week's Professional Developer Conference.
>>>>> Windows
>>>>> 7 is the future, and in many ways it's the present, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Contrary to ridiculous assertions recently made by Microsoft CEO Steve
>>>>> Ballmer,
>>>>> Windows Vista is a flop. If businesses aren't buying Vista, after
>>>>> waiting
>>>>> six
>>>>> (now seven) years, it's no success. Yet, during the last day of the
>>>>> Gartner
>>>>> 2008 expo 10 days ago, Steve asserted that Vista "has been extremely
>>>>> successful."
>>>>>
>>>>> A few days earlier, Steve boasted: "Vista is our best-selling product
>>>>> ever.
>>>>> So,
>>>>> if that takes too much getting over—we're not going to have products
>>>>> that
>>>>> are
>>>>> much more successful than Vista has been. We sold over 180 million
>>>>> copies in
>>>>> the first 18 months, quite successful." Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> But who's buying this "best-selling" product ever? "We have 180 million
>>>>> users,
>>>>> mostly on the consumer market," Steve said in an Oct. 2 speech. Oh?
>>>>> According
>>>>> to Gartner analysts Neil MacDonald and David Smith, only about 10
>>>>> percent of
>>>>> enterprises have adopted Windows Vista. That's not a high number,
>>>>> particularly
>>>>> in context of the approximately six years between Windows XP and Vista.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not surprising then that PDC attendees will hear whole lots about
>>>>> Windows
>>>>> 7 this week and very little about its predecessor. Windows 7 banners
>>>>> are
>>>>> plentiful enough, as are the sessions: Out of 194, 22 are dedicated to
>>>>> Seven
>>>>> and none to Windows Vista. It has leprosy, baby, and nobody wants to
>>>>> catch
>>>>> it.
>>>>> I Googled "PDC 2008," and one of the pages—not now available—is
>>>>> "Unveiling
>>>>> Windows 7 to the World."
>>>>>
>>>>> Vista is headed to as quick a death as Microsoft can give it. Someday
>>>>> soon,
>>>>> some gun-toting Microsoft executive will lead Vista out back and "Pop!"
>>>>> Netbook
>>>>> buying trends and the sagging economy give Microsoft more reasons to
>>>>> want to
>>>>> off Vista as soon as humanly possible. The signs are everywhere:
>>>>> The vanishing license count. Every quarterly earnings since Vista's
>>>>> release,
>>>>> Microsoft executives counted up the number of licenses shipped. There
>>>>> was
>>>>> near
>>>>> silence during last week's 2009 fiscal first-quarter earnings
>>>>> announcement.
>>>>> The
>>>>> number was 180 million three months earlier. It's now "What?"
>>>>> Microsoft's
>>>>> failure to toot "the number of Vista licenses" horn means something.
>>>>> Maybe
>>>>> the
>>>>> increase wasn't that great, or maybe Microsoft is moving beyond Vista.
>>>>> I say
>>>>> yes to both.
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows client income down. During the fiscal first quarter, the
>>>>> division's
>>>>> revenue grew a paltry 2 percent year over year, but income decreased by
>>>>> 4
>>>>> percent. Microsoft has no tough year-ago comparison to account for the
>>>>> weak
>>>>> results. By comparison, Business division revenue and income were up 20
>>>>> percent
>>>>> and 23 percent, respectively. Microsoft attributed year-over-year
>>>>> Windows
>>>>> client income declines to sales of lower-cost versions in emerging
>>>>> markets
>>>>> and
>>>>> on netbooks in mature markets. Considering that PC shipment growth was
>>>>> still
>>>>> strong during the quarter, Windows results forebodes Vista weakness.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Increasing netbook sales. The product category is pure trouble for
>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>> because Windows Vista demands too much to adequately run on the
>>>>> hardware. So
>>>>> netbooks typically either ship with Linux or Windows XP Home. That
>>>>> netbook
>>>>> buyers would be satisfied with 7-year-old consumer XP is just about the
>>>>> only
>>>>> commentary necessary to understand Vista's market plight. According to
>>>>> Microsoft, netbooks added 8 percent growth to otherwise flat U.S. PC
>>>>> sales
>>>>> during the third calendar quarter. The category is hot, but Vista is
>>>>> not and
>>>>> couldn't be. Seven had better run well on netbooks and soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Windows. Life Without Walls." The marketing campaign should be called
>>>>> "Windows. Life Without Vista." If Vista is so successful, as Steve
>>>>> claims,
>>>>> then
>>>>> why isn't Microsoft advertising the software? Rather, Microsoft is
>>>>> trying to
>>>>> get away from Vista, abandoning a brand that it already invested tens
>>>>> of
>>>>> millions of dollars promoting. Its absent role at PDC says it all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are plenty of other signs:
>>>>> Continued OEM sales of XP downgrade licenses
>>>>>
>>>>> The aforementioned 10 percent enterprise adoption
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple's Mac market share gains (35 percent in U.S. retail revenue)
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft is moving beyond Vista to Windows 7. Windows Vista no longer
>>>>> matters.
>>>>> If it did:
>>>>> Enterprises would be buying it
>>>>>
>>>>> Consumers would be demanding it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft wouldn't freak out about Apple's "Get a Mac" ads
>>>>>
>>>>> The hottest new computer category, netbooks, would ship with Vista
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft would be aggressively advertising Vista, instead of trying to
>>>>> bury
>>>>> the brand
>>>>>
>>>>> Developers would be creating hunky Vista apps; instead, projects like
>>>>> Yahoo
>>>>> Messenger for Windows Vista are being abandoned
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've long said that Windows Vista isn't a bad operating system. It's
>>>>> just
>>>>> not
>>>>> particularly better than Windows XP. Strange, then, that Microsoft
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> messaging Seven as being particularly better than Windows Vista. It
>>>>> won't
>>>>> be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft believes, with some justification, that Vista has major
>>>>> perception
>>>>> problems. The company clearly has decided that negative perceptions
>>>>> can't be
>>>>> fixed. Hence, the diminished emphasis on Vista; starting tomorrow—and
>>>>> especially on Tuesday—an increased emphasis on Windows 7. By shifting
>>>>> emphasis
>>>>> to Seven, Microsoft is treating Vista perceptions mainly as a marketing
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vista deserved better market reception than it got. Strange, a few
>>>>> small
>>>>> improvements could have changed everything—like startup times.
>>>>> Everybody
>>>>> bitches about how long Vista takes to boot up or wake up from sleep.
>>>>> Last
>>>>> week,
>>>>> one of my longtime Windows buddies bought a MacBook. Yesterday we
>>>>> talked
>>>>> about
>>>>> startup times. He surprised me. He had already clocked startup times: 7
>>>>> minutes
>>>>> on his Vista notebook and about a minute for the $1,299 MacBook. That's
>>>>> not
>>>>> scientific, but it needn't be. One user, one experience multiplied by
>>>>> 180
>>>>> million Vista licenses is scientific enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Please send your tips or rumors to watchtips at gmail.com].
>>>>>
>>>>> Posted by Joe Wilcox on October 26, 2008 7:15 PM
>>>>>
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