Re: Seeking feedback from speech users of Python

  • From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:27:16 -0800

I was told about this one, and I may have goofed the name, but it's supposed to be a mIRC version with speech conductivity built directly into it, I was told about it by a friend of mine who runs a IRC site and is working on an accessible IRC client of his own.


smile, how about a trade, you can get a hold of my friend at IRC.icedirc.com, his name is usually the iceprince, and his lady is the iceprincess

do you have a link for these jaws scripts? I would like to take a look at these, and make them available from my grab bag site along with the rest of the IRC stuff I have.

happy holidays,
inthane
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----- Original Message ----- From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: Seeking feedback from speech users of Python


Hi Jamal,
While I appreciate the effort you put in to make this feature, I have some
feedback. I use  JAWS indentation scheme that plays notes for indent
levels. That scheme is very efficient for me because it plays the notes as
the lines are beginning to speak. That is more efficient than waiting for
JAWS or EdSharp to tell me the indent level. Second, I think the feature
needs to use spaces instead of tabs because that is the feedback I am
hearing from the Python Tutor list.

Jim

James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810

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I have included an experimental feature in EdSharp
http://www.EmpowermentZone.com/edsetup.exe

In seeking a more efficient way of managing the indentation requirement, I
am trying a coding style called PyBrace, where the colon and indented
block are replaced by a set of curly braces surrounding the block.
Alt+Shift+LeftBracket (think of the brace character) turns either all or
selected text into this style of code, which makes it easy to understand
the structure with speech.

The inverse command is called PyDent, Alt+LeftBracket, which converts from
PyBrace format to the equivalent indentation required by the Python
interpreter.

PyBrace assumes that the opening brace will be at the end of the line of
text that starts the block, and the closing brace will be on a line by
itself.  Also, PyDent assumes that a single tab character is used for each
level of indentation -- though I intend to support other indentation
conventions as well if this approach seems productive.

I have been able to convert to and from PyBrace and run a Python script
successfully (the Python fruit basket program).  If anyone else can try
this approach, and let me know your results as well as any other ideas for
improvement, that would be helpful.

Jamal

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