Hi Teddy, That is correct. If you happen to land on a text field, when you type letters, it makes you tab out. That is, if it happens to be a single line text field. If it's a multiple line text field, it allows you to move up and down, besides moving right and left. That makes Control+Home and Control+End available to you. SystemAccess also lets you use the letter e to jump to edit fields, d for drop downs (which is any kind of list field), r for radio buttons, and so on, when focus does not happen to be on a form field. I am going purely from memory here, so please forgive me if I am wrong about how this works. Thanks. Jim James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc., james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810 "it is only possible to live happily ever after on a day-to-day basis." -- Margaret Bonnano Highmark internal only: Consider Usability Engineering On Your Next Project or release. http://highwire.highmark.com/sites/iwov/hwt093/ "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxx To om> programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent by: cc programmingblind- bounce@freelists. Subject org Re: JFW keymap like orca keymap? 04/11/2008 09:46 AM Please respond to programmingblind@ freelists.org I don't understand. You said that if I start typing letters or numbers, it makes me tab out. This means that you are referring on how it works if the focus is in a text field, right? But this means that you can't type letters and numbers in a text field. This is the way Jaws works, but the other list member told that in Orca you can type the letters and numbers in the text field, without needing to turn a forms mode on. Please explain. Thanks. Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 2:57 PM Subject: Re: JFW keymap like orca keymap? > Hi, > If you keep arrowing down, it works just like reading normal text, but if > you start typing characters such as letters, numbers, and punctuation, it > makes you tab out. Open your mind. grhrhrhrhrhrhrhrhrhrowl > > > Jim > James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc., > james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810 > > "it is only possible to live happily ever after on a day-to-day basis." -- > Margaret Bonnano > > Highmark internal only: Consider Usability Engineering On Your Next > Project > or release. http://highwire.highmark.com/sites/iwov/hwt093/ > > > > "Daniel Dalton" > <d.dalton@xxxxxxx > et.au> To > Sent by: "blind programming" > programmingblind- <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > bounce@freelists. cc > org > Subject > Re: JFW keymap like orca keymap? > 04/11/2008 03:09 > AM > > > Please respond to > programmingblind@ > freelists.org > > > > > > > On Thu, 10 Apr 2008, Octavian Rasnita wrote: > >> Well, I don't think I like that way, because I use to read some pages > with >> the up and down arrow keys, and if I reach a text field, I don't like to > need >> using a tab key to move out of it. > > You shouldn't have to. To put focus in the form field use the arrows > (left and right) + insert or > the tab key... I think it will let you type if you are arrowed over the > box and let you use the arrows to get out... > I'll admit that I don't use orca much perhaps 5% of the time and the rest > of the time with lynx and brltty. > Since I'm using brltty with no keyboard map just my display keymaps I > thought orca keymaps would be best... > > With lynx though if you arrow a form field it will let you type. You just > arrow off it to keep going down... Well actually you use the reading keys > of your screenreader (In my set up the keys on my braille display) to read > the page... > Dunno if orca does this though. I'll test later... Anyone know? > >> And by the way, if the focus is on the text field and I hit tab, where is > the >> focus put? I hope not on the next link or form field... because I may > want to > > Uh...? Well whatever the tab key is mapped to in your browser... Just use > the arrows... > In lynx (the command line browser) I don't believe tab does much. > > -- > Daniel Dalton > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/ > <d.dalton@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind