RE: Is Android Programming Accessible?
- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:47:25 -0700
Hi,
Internet access - I think it costs around 15 to 20 dollars for a basic
access capacity. The exact costs differ between carriers.
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 9:44 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
hi,
thanks, can you explain how much something like this is per month?
all i want is a phone that talks and all i use it for is to call a
client/check if they will be home, and occasionally check bus times and
don't want another charge per month.
a pay as you go recharge of $100 lasts me at least 4-6 months.
Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:54 PM
Subject: RE: Is Android Programming Accessible?
> Hi Brian,
> Few things and answers:
> * Code Factory just announced that Mobile Speak now supports HTC HD2, a
> completely touchscreen device running Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional.
> * Windows Mobile phones are still readily available (I have a Windows
> Mobile
> phone (HP iPAQ Glisten) with a touchscreen and a QWERTY keyboard).
> * We at the Mobile Speak list had a debate about why Code Factory does not
> support all devices. In the end, the general conclusion was diversity of
> device design and software compatibility. For instance, a guy who uses a
> particular carrier version of HTC Touch Pro 2 couldn't answer a phone call
> via Send key. He called the company and was told that this issue was
> duplicated. Other folks who use the same device on other carriers report
> that they don't experience this problem. Same went with HTC HD2 support:
> people requested that CF should support it - in the end, some users sent
> their phone to be examined by CF, and today (Friday) CF announced its
> result
> - support for this phone via a new build of Mobile Speak 4.5 (I think it
> was
> a device dat file that was created to be included in the executable
> image).
> * When Mobile Speak is installed, part of its routine is to get device
> info
> (model name, firmware, OS version, etc.) to optimize user interface layer
> for that particular device, and if possible, to check if the device specs
> match existing database of supported devices. Here, "optimizing user
> interface layer" means getting the display info (for touchscreen devices
> to
> correctly calculate placement for gesture keys) and whether to activate
> touch functionality (part of mspinputsvr.exe) depending on if it is a
> Windows Mobile Classic, Standard or Professional device.
> As for Motorola Q, think of it as a wider phone with QWERTY keyboard,
> similar to a laptop computer's layout when the screen is opened. However,
> to
> compensate for smaller size, not all keyboard keys are there and the
> directional keys are between the screen and the keyboard.
> In my case, I do prefer "computer in a pocket", since I want to perform
> more
> than just call and read SMS messages with my phone. In addition to sending
> and receiving phone calls and SMS messages, I browse the web, read email,
> set alarms, listen to music and use third-party programs (specifically
> games
> and a small utility to clear temp files from my phone). This is the exact
> same argument (ability to run third-party software) that a specific
> blindness product is advertising, but we (the engineers) are not fooled by
> the company since we do know what the limitations of that device is and
> the
> list for that device is debating the future of that particular PDA at the
> moment.
> In connection with the subject here, in order for the "computer in a
> pocket"
> to come alive with Android, I believe more developments and awareness of
> accessibility among software developers would be needed. This could be
> enhancements to Talkback (which is most likely route) or a port of
> existing
> solutions over to Android (somewhat possible).
> Hope this helps.
> Cheers,
> Joseph P.S. No wonder why my sighted friends are questioning how a blind
> guy
> can learn programming...
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 4:46 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>
> ok,
> can anyone tell me what the motorola q looks like?
> is it a regular phone where you hit 1-9 instead of certain keyboard
> letters?
> why did mobile speak restrict themselves to not running on phones like the
> razr v3?
> i asked about android stuff because windows mobile phones seem hard to
> find.
>
> Bryan Schulz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jared Wright" <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>
>
>> Android is probably not up your alley, then. It's going for the computer
>> in your pocket thing.
>>
>> On 07/30/2010 07:24 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>> seems all of what you mention is web based.
>>> all i want is to have a talking phone with sms texting.
>>> i'll use a laptop for the rest and save $40+ a month.
>>>
>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Cox" <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:42 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't say it speaks "all" other menus, but it does seem pretty
>>> close. There are annoying gaps in some popular applications. The
>>> microphone icon on the search bar is not spoken, and neither are other
>>> icons on most other widgets. Some desktop widgets are not accessible
>>> at all. There's not quite enough of the right kind of information
>>> spoken, like what row and column you're on when browsing the desktop.
>>>
>>> However, the progress is very encouraging, and at some point I suspect
>>> blind programmers will get involved and progress will accelerate.
>>> What has to happen first is for Android to become the platform of
>>> choice for the blind. I think that will happen.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alphonso McFadden
>>> <techsales2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> So does this mean it speaks all other menue's?
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Cox" <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:04 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Bryan. Talkback in Android 2.2 is getting close to usable, but
>>>> not quite there. The main problem remaining is that the browser and
>>>> e-mail applications are not accessible, both of which I think use
>>>> webkit. Work on making it accessible is underway. I think we can
>>>> count on Google to get it where it needs to be, but I can't estimate
>>>> the timeline.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> i called a local at&t wireless store and most of what they sell are
>>>>> the
>>>>> android operating system.
>>>>> will mobile speak be created for this system or will there possibly be
>>>>> a
>>>>> free open source app to make these phones talk?
>>>>> i would like to get an unlocked phone with no monthly fee off ebay for
>>>>> a
>>>>> low
>>>>> talk time charge when needed solution.
>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <davidct1209@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:22 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm relatively new to Android land as well, but from what I've done
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> far, yes, it's accessible depending on your experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Android comes with a variety of development tools; there's, as you
>>>>>> mentioned, a plugin for Eclipse to help streamline the development
>>>>>> experience (auto generated project files).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, all of this can be done by hand via the Android SDK using
>>>>>> command line tools. One can also specify UI elements within an
>>>>>> AndroidManifest xml file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The learning curve isn't too bad as long as you are fairly
>>>>>> comfortable
>>>>>> with exploring the technology stack (from the tools, to the SDK, to
>>>>>> the application concepts such as intents, broadcasts, services, etc.
>>>>>> and finally to managing a real device such as flashing, rooting,
>>>>>> etc.).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/29/10, David Engebretson Jr. <d.engebretson@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I asked the same question a week back or so and didn't get a
>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>> Maybe we'll need to explore it together. try eyesfree.google.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>> david
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David Engebretson Jr., CTO Peace Weaver Hosting
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>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:13 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am looking at a possible project that requires programming for an
>>>>>>>> Android based device. Has anyone done this? My research to date
>>>>>>>> indicates
>>>>>>>> that Java is used with the Eclipse IDE and an Android SDK.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>
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