See I have had an IPhone since the day it was accessible and as soon as there is a good android phone that has a keyboard and froyo default I am going to see if I can skip my IPhone across the Ohio. I know several of my friends that say Oh I can text just fine on my Iphone and my ITouch then I sit and watch them. It's like watching a blind mouse hunt for cheese in a room full of mouse traps. I can text on my IPhone and but I don't do it even 1/4 as much as I did on my nokia because it is ugly and painful. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:07 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible? I guess I don't really want to be restritcted to the devices with keyboards. The iPhone's onscreen keyboard is usable if, as everyone has to, you practice it a bit. Do you know if the situation on Android is anywhere near that? Would the Droid X, for instance, be a viable choice for the Android functionality you've described, presuming Version 2.2 could be gotten onto it? On 07/30/2010 01:15 PM, Ken Perry wrote: > Yes and the speech input is even unbelievable . You could even talk to thee > thing and text if you want. The one thing I recommend is you wait till > there are some new handsets with keyboards. I have an old hand set but it > has a keyboard and I have hacked it to have 2.2 on it. I am waiting > actually for the Ericson but it won't be out till probably 2011. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:56 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible? > > Can it at least manage contacts, texts, and other base phone > functions adequately? I have to admit that I'm at this tough > crossroads. I can get myself a smartphone right now, and one smartphone > only. I feel I have enough knowledge to not just use Android > accessibility but to improve on it. That said, I can do all the fun > smartphone thingies with the iPhone today, right now, this minute. If I > could have an iPhone for today and have an Android to develop on for > tomorrow, that'd be ideal. But I haven't those types of funds and am a > poor con artist. *smile* If it can at least do what I've hacked together > on my present phone though, (that is make and receive calls with caller > identification, read call logs, review and edit contact information, > and handle SMS), I'd be more likely to just take the plunge with Android > and let the apps come. I think they will in the end. Finally, what's the > status of touchscreen input on Android? Last I knew it wasn't nearly as > easy to accomplish eyes free data input through the touchscreen, and > well, QWERTY keyboards on smartphones are going the way of the dodo. > > > On 07/30/2010 12:42 PM, Bill Cox wrote: > >> I wouldn't say it speaks "all" other menus, but it does seem pretty >> close. There are annoying gaps in some popular applications. The >> microphone icon on the search bar is not spoken, and neither are other >> icons on most other widgets. Some desktop widgets are not accessible >> at all. There's not quite enough of the right kind of information >> spoken, like what row and column you're on when browsing the desktop. >> >> However, the progress is very encouraging, and at some point I suspect >> blind programmers will get involved and progress will accelerate. >> What has to happen first is for Android to become the platform of >> choice for the blind. I think that will happen. >> >> Bill >> >> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alphonso McFadden >> <techsales2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >>> So does this mean it speaks all other menue's? >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Cox"<waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx> >>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:04 PM >>> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible? >>> >>> >>> Hi, Bryan. Talkback in Android 2.2 is getting close to usable, but >>> not quite there. The main problem remaining is that the browser and >>> e-mail applications are not accessible, both of which I think use >>> webkit. Work on making it accessible is underway. I think we can >>> count on Google to get it where it needs to be, but I can't estimate >>> the timeline. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Bryan Schulz<b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> hi, >>>> >>>> i called a local at&t wireless store and most of what they sell are the >>>> android operating system. >>>> will mobile speak be created for this system or will there possibly be a >>>> free open source app to make these phones talk? >>>> i would like to get an unlocked phone with no monthly fee off ebay for a >>>> low >>>> talk time charge when needed solution. >>>> Bryan Schulz >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave"<davidct1209@xxxxxxxxx> >>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:22 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'm relatively new to Android land as well, but from what I've done so >>>>> far, yes, it's accessible depending on your experience. >>>>> >>>>> Android comes with a variety of development tools; there's, as you >>>>> mentioned, a plugin for Eclipse to help streamline the development >>>>> experience (auto generated project files). >>>>> >>>>> However, all of this can be done by hand via the Android SDK using >>>>> command line tools. One can also specify UI elements within an >>>>> AndroidManifest xml file. >>>>> >>>>> The learning curve isn't too bad as long as you are fairly comfortable >>>>> with exploring the technology stack (from the tools, to the SDK, to >>>>> the application concepts such as intents, broadcasts, services, etc. >>>>> and finally to managing a real device such as flashing, rooting, >>>>> etc.). >>>>> >>>>> Hth. >>>>> >>>>> On 7/29/10, David Engebretson Jr.<d.engebretson@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I asked the same question a week back or so and didn't get a response. >>>>>> Maybe we'll need to explore it together. try eyesfree.google.com >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers, >>>>>> david >>>>>> >>>>>> David Engebretson Jr., CTO Peace Weaver Hosting >>>>>> Need web hosting? >>>>>> Come visit us at PeaceWeaverHosting.com >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Robert Jaquiss"<rjaquiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:13 PM >>>>>> Subject: Is Android Programming Accessible? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am looking at a possible project that requires programming for an >>>>>>> Android based device. Has anyone done this? My research to date >>>>>>> indicates >>>>>>> that Java is used with the Eclipse IDE and an Android SDK. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Robert >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __________ >>>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>> Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3036 - Release Date: >>>>>> > 07/29/10 > >>>>>> 06:34:00 >>>>>> >>>>>> __________ >>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> __________ >>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> __________ >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >>> >>> >>> >> __________ >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >> >> > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind