RE: How To Use Eclipse
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:17:17 -0400
Um you are a good advertisement I love reading window eyes pages they always
talk up their features like they have something Jaws doesn?t. You know if
you have to continuously say something like they do maybe you?re not that
hot after all. All I can say is its going to take a lot of scripts and
while a few have been done you have a ways to go to catch up. The fact is
Jaws and Window-eyes are still knack and knack and that will stay that way
till one of the other screen readers knocks them both off.
Ken
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:19 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: How To Use Eclipse
No, it won't stay that way. Really, can you think of something JAWS can do
that couldn't be accomplished with a WE script? Just a script may still need
to be actually made, but that is basically all JFW has going for it at this
point--its existing library of scripts. Turnaround time for fixing bugs,
management of system resources, out of the box functionality without even
writing scripts, Window Eyes does all these things more completely. Volume
purchasers of access tech still haven't figured out that JAWS is the
Internet Explorer of screen readers, but that's an economic matter, not a
technical one. combine this with FS's frivolous law suits that, if
successfully pursued, are guarantee to stagnate the forward progression of
screen reader access for Windows. Do we still think there's a real
comparison between the two moving forward? At least until FS tells us
something we don't know about? And to that end, what was the last FS update
to JFW that one could seriously call an obvious improvement? It's been a
long time. JAWS' position "ahead of the game" as you put it is basically
living on borrowed time that you and other JAWS scritpers over the years
have blessed it with. Once Window Eyes gets foundations set for some really
pivotal applications, we can revisit this topic. But, yes, I think the
potential technical ceiling of the two is for now and open and closed
discussion.
I'll probably leave this here, although I certainly don't feel bad in
talking about it on this list, given this list's propensity to turn into an
unofficial JAWS tech support list some days.
On 4/6/2009 9:10 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
I will not write a long comment on this but it is far from open and closed.
Just because they have a nice comm. Interface doesn?t mean that they
suddenly caught up with access. I have used both and still do. Jaws is
still ahead of the game because their scripts are more advanced. That will
not stay that way but to say the discussion is dead already that is not
true.
Ken
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:33 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: How To Use Eclipse
Fs is just nervous because WE's scripting implementation seems to render the
technical comparison between the two an open and closed discussion. What
else were they supposed to do? Other than actively and vigorously improve
their product, of course...
Jared
On 4/6/2009 7:10 AM, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 wrote:
Freedom Scientific is going to use that extra money to pursue groundless law
suits too. I have a copy of Window-Eyes 3.11 that does what Freedom
Scientific is now complaining about yet it was released before their patent
application and approval.
That function is to be able to return to a specific location on a web page
and Window-Eyes was doing that with MSAA all those years ago. I bought my
copy of Window-eyes when it was current during the Clinton Administration
and Freedom Scientific got its patent approved in 2006. Hopefully Freedom
Scientific will go the way of the SCO Group and for the same reasons.
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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 22:39
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: How To Use Eclipse
Well, I guess I don't touch JFW if I can avoid it, so my remarks were more
towards software in general. Window Eyes might progress slower than I'd like
sometimes, but it does progress forward. Sorry you guys aren't in the same
position.
Jared
On 4/5/2009 3:06 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
Grin no. The reason there are new Jaws is so that freedom scientific
can charge you more money snicker.
Ken
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Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:55 PM
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Subject: Re: How To Use Eclipse
On 4/5/2009 10:23 AM, Octavian Râsnita wrote:
"It works fine with newer versions of Jaws though..."
That is the point of JAWS having "newer versions," no?
Jared
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