Re: How To Use Eclipse

*yawn*
A lot of questionmarks in that message for an ad, don'tcha think? But you've taken a pretty condescending tone in this discussion now, not to mention didnt' answer a single one of those questionmarks, so I see no reason to continue it.

On 4/7/2009 10:17 PM, Ken Perry wrote:

Um you are a good advertisement I love reading window eyes pages they always talk up their features like they have something Jaws doesn't. You know if you have to continuously say something like they do maybe you're not that hot after all. All I can say is its going to take a lot of scripts and while a few have been done you have a ways to go to catch up. The fact is Jaws and Window-eyes are still knack and knack and that will stay that way till one of the other screen readers knocks them both off.

Ken

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No, it won't stay that way. Really, can you think of something JAWS can do that couldn't be accomplished with a WE script? Just a script may still need to be actually made, but that is basically all JFW has going for it at this point--its existing library of scripts. Turnaround time for fixing bugs, management of system resources, out of the box functionality without even writing scripts, Window Eyes does all these things more completely. Volume purchasers of access tech still haven't figured out that JAWS is the Internet Explorer of screen readers, but that's an economic matter, not a technical one. combine this with FS's frivolous law suits that, if successfully pursued, are guarantee to stagnate the forward progression of screen reader access for Windows. Do we still think there's a real comparison between the two moving forward? At least until FS tells us something we don't know about? And to that end, what was the last FS update to JFW that one could seriously call an obvious improvement? It's been a long time. JAWS' position "ahead of the game" as you put it is basically living on borrowed time that you and other JAWS scritpers over the years have blessed it with. Once Window Eyes gets foundations set for some really pivotal applications, we can revisit this topic. But, yes, I think the potential technical ceiling of the two is for now and open and closed discussion.

I'll probably leave this here, although I certainly don't feel bad in talking about it on this list, given this list's propensity to turn into an unofficial JAWS tech support list some days.

On 4/6/2009 9:10 PM, Ken Perry wrote:

I will not write a long comment on this but it is far from open and closed. Just because they have a nice comm. Interface doesn't mean that they suddenly caught up with access. I have used both and still do. Jaws is still ahead of the game because their scripts are more advanced. That will not stay that way but to say the discussion is dead already that is not true.

Ken

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Fs is just nervous because WE's scripting implementation seems to render the technical comparison between the two an open and closed discussion. What else were they supposed to do? Other than actively and vigorously improve their product, of course...

Jared

On 4/6/2009 7:10 AM, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 wrote:

Freedom Scientific is going to use that extra money to pursue groundless law
suits too.  I have a copy of Window-Eyes 3.11 that does what Freedom
Scientific is now complaining about yet it was released before their patent
application and approval.
That function is to be able to return to a specific location on a web page
and Window-Eyes was doing that with MSAA all those years ago.  I bought my
copy of Window-eyes when it was current during the Clinton Administration
and Freedom Scientific got its patent approved in 2006.  Hopefully Freedom
Scientific will go the way of the SCO Group and for the same reasons.
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Well, I guess I don't touch JFW if I can avoid it, so my remarks were more
towards software in general. Window Eyes might progress slower than I'd like
sometimes, but it does progress forward. Sorry you guys aren't in the same
position.
Jared On 4/5/2009 3:06 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
    Grin no.  The reason there are new Jaws is so that freedom scientific

    can charge you more money snicker.

    Ken

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    On 4/5/2009 10:23 AM, Octavian Râsnita wrote:

    "It works fine with newer versions of Jaws though..."

    That is the point of JAWS having "newer versions," no?

    Jared

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