Re: Commodo
- From: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:52:56 -0500 (EST)
List members have described various ways of contributing besides fixing
every problem by your own programming. You choose not to contribute to
open source projects. That is your perogative, but it is not because you
cannot.
Jamal
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:04:28 +0200
> From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Commodo
>
> I raise my hat for open source projects, but unfortunately... I don't know
> why, but the open source projects are usually less accessible than the
> commercial ones.
>
> I would do all the software I need if I would be such a good programmer, but
> unfortunately I am not, and I am not sighted to be able to do very many
> things in a program, so I cannot contribute to improve and fix everything I
> don't like.
>
> So I prefer to use something else.
>
> Octavian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Commodo
>
>
> >I think that one might consider contributing to a project even if it
> > does not immediately serve oneself better than commercial alternatives.
> > The idea is to help improve a free, open source IDE that uses
> > technologies that were designed with accessibility in mind, even if they
> > presently work imperfectly. Successful refinement of Mozilla
> > components, with help from blind users and programmers, can lead to
> > other accessible applications besides this particular IDE. Without
> > constructive participation by people with disabilities, it is doubtful
> > that such open source components, however well-intentioned, will ever
> > work as smoothly and reliably as we hope.
> >
> > Jamal
> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Octavian
> > Rasnita wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:52:32 +0200
> >> From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: Commodo
> >>
> >> I've made some Jaws scripts for some programs in the past, but I've
> >> stopped
> >> creating scripts, because I think it would be easier to find programs
> >> that
> >> don't require scripts.
> >>
> >> I haven't found helpful things in Commodo that can't be done in TextPad,
> >> but
> >> I found very many helpful things that can be done in TextPad but can't be
> >> done in Commodo, and TextPad is faster and it doesn't require any Jaws
> >> scripts. So why should I make the effort of creating scripts for a
> >> program
> >> like Commodo?
> >>
> >> It could be more perl-oriented than TextPad, but it has very few features
> >> that could help a little which cannot be found in other editors, so I
> >> prefer
> >> to wait and see if it will become better or if Jaws would work better
> >> with
> >> it.
> >>
> >> But anyway, it is still very slow and I don't like this at all.
> >> I think this is an important negative point of development environments
> >> like
> >> Eclipse and VS.net and Commodo also has it.
> >>
> >> I have a Core 2 Duo at 3 GHz processor, but it starts still slow. What
> >> could
> >> I do to make it start as fast as TextPad?
> >>
> >> Octavian
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:45 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Commodo
> >>
> >>
> >> > It sounds like some improvements are needed in the keyboard interface.
> >> > The problems you describe do not make Komodo a horrible editor.
> >> > Evidently, it is a frustrating one for you so far, but it deserves an
> >> > appreciation of its beneficial features as well before condemning it as
> >> > you do because of some hot key and focus issues. These issues are
> >> > probably the kinds of things that a set of JAWS scripts could
> >> > resolve --
> >> > just as scripts smoothed some rough edges with Visual Studio, which was
> >> > mostly accessible out of the box.
> >> >
> >> > Here is a revolutionary concept: how about starting an open source
> >> > JAWS
> >> > scripting project for Komodo? Feel free to ask questions if you need
> >> > tips on the JAWS scripting language, such as how to assign focus to a
> >> > control or add a hot key. I'm sure you'll be able to pick up the
> >> > language quickly with a little effort.
> >> >
> >> > Jamal
> >> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Octavian
> >> > Rasnita wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:39:08 +0200
> >> >> From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> Subject: Re: Commodo
> >> >>
> >> >> I've seen that I can use the virtual PC cursor, however if I want to
> >> >> click
> >> >> on the tab title, I cannot do it with it.
> >> >> And I need this because I cannot select that tab in other way.
> >> >>
> >> >> Here is what I've tried:
> >> >>
> >> >> Opened Commodo, chosen File menu/New/File then chosen perl and pressed
> >> >> enter.
> >> >> Then I've modified something in the file, and pressed control+S to
> >> >> save
> >> >> it.
> >> >> The "Save as..." dialog appeared, and I wanted to cancel it by
> >> >> pressing
> >> >> escape.
> >> >>
> >> >> In that moment the focus was lost. It didn't went to the textarea
> >> >> where
> >> >> it
> >> >> was before pressing control+S.
> >> >> So I was trying to put it back there. I've tried pressing Control+Home
> >> >> but
> >> >> Jaws (8) just spoken some words, possibly the titles of some tabs, or
> >> >> toolbar elements... I don't know, but the focus was not moved to any
> >> >> program
> >> >> element.
> >> >>
> >> >> So I've tried pressing Control+Tab for more times, but nothing
> >> >> happend.
> >> >> After switching to another application then back to Commodo, and a few
> >> >> other
> >> >> control+Tab and tab keys, I've seen that I could move from a tab title
> >> >> to
> >> >> another, but those tab titles were for something else, not for
> >> >> selecting
> >> >> the
> >> >> currently open document.
> >> >>
> >> >> I couldn't get to those tabs, and even if I could do it, I think that
> >> >> Commodo has big bugs, because otherwise it wouldn't lose the focus
> >> >> that
> >> >> way.
> >> >> (If some list members say that it is great and that only Jaws 6 has
> >> >> problems
> >> >> accessing it).
> >> >>
> >> >> That's why I try to move the focus to the wanted tab title by clicking
> >> >> on
> >> >> it
> >> >> with the Jaws cursor.
> >> >> But finally I was able to move the focus to the currently opened file
> >> >> tab
> >> >> title using F6 for more times. It was ok, however I couldn't move the
> >> >> focus
> >> >> from that tab title to the textarea using Control+Tab, or just tab...
> >> >>
> >> >> I've seen that if I have chosen to close it without saving the file,
> >> >> it
> >> >> asked what I wanted to do, but it didn't even offered a hotkey for
> >> >> choosing
> >> >> "Don't save any file"
> >> >> I think that most editors allow us to just press "N" in order to
> >> >> choose a
> >> >> "No", and we don't need to tab for more times in order to be able to
> >> >> press
> >> >> that button.
> >> >>
> >> >> So it is not a great editor, not even with Jaws 8. Maybe 9?? Or 19?
> >> >> :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> I like some of the ActiveState's programs if they are good, like
> >> >> ActivePerl
> >> >> and Perl Developer Kit, but not their inaccessible GUI ppm or Commodo.
> >> >>
> >> >> Octavian
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "James Panes" <jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 3:53 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: Commodo
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hi Teddy,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If you have not already been told by 10 other list members. . .
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Try using the invisible cursor. It can read objects on the screen
> >> >> > without
> >> >> > triggering them the way the JAWS cursor does.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Jim
> >> >> > jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx
> >> >> > jimpanes@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> > "Everything is easy when you know how."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:25 PM
> >> >> > Subject: Commodo
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've installed again Jaws 8 because I heard from many of the list
> >> >> > members
> >> >> > that it works very well with Commodo.
> >> >> > However, I found that it works not as bad as Jaws 6, but horrible
> >> >> > enough.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I told you about that issue that I cannot read the title of the
> >> >> > currently
> >> >> > opened perl file with the Jaws cursor on the tab title, because
> >> >> > Commodo
> >> >> > seems to pop-up a menu when I move the Jaws cursor.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well, it seems that this problem is the same with Jaws 8 as with
> >> >> > Jaws
> >> >> > 6.
> >> >> > What were you doing to be able to do that?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Octavian
> >> >> >
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