Re: Commodo

I definately noticed that JAWS 9 beta worked better with my fruit basket
program than JAWS 6.2.
Jamal
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Aaron Leventhal wrote:

> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:51:15 -0400
> From: Aaron Leventhal <aaronlev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Commodo
>
> Hi Octavian,
>
> I just saw at the end of this that you are using JAWS 6. Unfortunately
> JAWS only started making Mozilla technologies accessible since something
> like JAWS 7.1
>
> You ask if Firefox is the same. I would say no -- we (largely myself)
> have put a large amount of effort specifically into making Firefox
> itself accessible. No such effort has yet gone into Komodo (note -- it's
> spelled with a K and one M).
>
> It would be great to find out if more recent versions of JAWS (such as
> the JAWS 9 beta) work better with Komodo.
>
> - Aaron
>
> Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have installed again Commodo and here is what I found:
> >
> > 1. If I press Insert+num pad minus in order to route the Jaws cursor
> > to the PC cursor, sometimes the menu is activated, but only sometimes.
> >
> > 2. I needed to use the Jaws cursor, because right after starting
> > Commodo, the editor is not accessible. I expected to press Insert+Tab
> > and hear "edit", but instead I heard something more strange.
> >
> > 3. I opened the File menu, and I selected "New" and I pressed enter
> > and in that moment I've seen that the new option has a submenu which
> > is not announced by Jaws. Does Commodo need some special scripts which
> > are not provided by Jaws 6? I am using Jaws 6 because the Eloquence
> > from newer versions of Jaws doesn't read the special chars correctly.
> >
> > 4. I chosen to create a new file and it appeared a list with file
> > formats, telling "Templates list Text 20 of 22, -85004040 of 0"... or
> > a closed number.
> >
> > I've noticed that the FruitBasket program made by Jamal with XUL works
> > the same, telling that garbage with minus 85000000 of 0.
> >
> > 5. After choosing "Perl file" and pressing enter, it created a new tab
> > named "perl1.pl" or something like that. I cannot read the exact title
> > of the tab, because I cannot use the Jaws cursor well in Commodo. If I
> > route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor, I see that the menus are
> > activated.
> >
> > 6. Another problem I've seen is because If I just move the Jaws
> > cursor, a menu seems to activate itself without needing any click.
> > This is very bad, because I can't read the screen with the Jaws cursor.
> > Anything I do, I cannot read the titles of tab pages with the Jaws
> > cursor.
> >
> > 7. Now in the editing area, if I press Insert+tab, instead of telling
> > me "edit" like most text editors, it tells me a very long string which
> > is not nice at all".
> > Do I need to change the Windows Class of the editing area? I think
> > I'll try this. (I also need to change the highlight color assignment,
> > because if I select a text in the editor, Jaws cannot read that text).
> >
> > 8. I've tried changing something in the file  then save it. I've seen
> > that the "Save as" window doesn't allow us choosing the encoding of
> > the file (which is not very important to be right here) but it also
> > don't allow us to choose the end of line format in which we want to
> > save the file (Unix/Win/Mac), and this is important to be right here,
> > at least for me. This is not a bug, but just a missing feature.
> >
> > 9. Sometimes if I press Control+Home in the editing area in order to
> > move the cursor at the beginning of the file, Jaws tells me "File,
> > Edit, Code... the name of all the menus.
> > It seems that this happends because Jaws can't discover where is the
> > PC cursor after pressing Control+S then escape. Now I can press the up
> > or down arrows, control+Tab or shift+Control+tab, but nothing
> > happends. Jaws doesn't speak anything. I think I need to restart Commodo.
> > If I try to use the Jaws cursor and I move it faster up or down, Jaws
> > doesn't speak anything.
> >
> > 10. I've tried to delete the text word by word with control+backspace.
> > The words are deleted, but Jaws doesn't speak those words.
> >
> > 11. I've tried to read the status bar of the window with the Jaws
> > cursor, because it is too much text there and I want to see the line
> > and column number of the cursor, but I can't read the status bar
> > neither, because each time I press Control+left or right arrows, a
> > menu seems to be opened.
> > Now I've tried to see what's in that menu, because at a certain moment
> > when moving the Jaws cursor with control+left or right, I hear "menu".
> > I've tried then using up and down arrows. I have also tried first
> > switching to the PC cursor, then using up or down, but with no luck.
> > After doing that, I couldn't continue to read the text written in the
> > editing area. I couldn't even return to Outlook Express because I
> > couldn't read anything in this message I write right now. So I needed
> > to close Commodo a second time, then I was able to write you.
> >
> > 12. I've seen that message "minus 85 millions and something of 0" is
> > read when using a combo box too. Too bad, especially that in combo
> > boxes the real number of the list elements is not read at all.
> >
> > 13. In the "Find" dialog (Control+F), the buttons don't have a hotkey
> > defined, or at least Jaws cannot detect it if using Shift+Num pad 5.
> >
> > 14. Even if I press Control+F or Control+H for replace, the Window
> > that appear is always entitled "Find and replace". This can be
> > confusing sometimes.
> >
> > 15. I've tried to change some preferences from the Edit menu, but some
> > elements are not very accessible because the text that describes them
> > are not read entirely.
> >
> > 16. After closing with Ok button that preferences window, now Jaws
> > lost the focus again and I cannot read the text from the editor with
> > the PC cursor. So I need to close and reopen Commodo once more.
> >
> > 17. I like that Commodo has F8 and shift+F8 for jumping to the
> > previous and next subroutine, but this can be done so easy with a find
> > for "sub " then jumping around with F3 and Shift+F3 which is better
> > known. A helpful thing though. I hope it also offers the possibility
> > of defining bookmarks.
> >
> >
> > 18. Control+F8 for finding all functions could be nice if its
> > interface would be better, but Jaws speaks so much garbage, that I
> > would prefer to search the subroutines manually than in that list. And
> > after displaying that list of functions (subroutines), I wasn't able
> > to make it disappear with an escape, but I needed to choose a
> > subroutine then press enter. Maybe the focus moved to that subroutine,
> > but then I wasn't able to move the cursor from there, but first I
> > needed to switch the focus to another application then come back.
> >
> > 19. I've saved a file and Jaws lost again the focus. I've pressed for
> > a few times some keys like control+Tab and others I don't remember and
> > Jaws read for me some checkboxes without names. I've even seen a list
> > of files and I pressed enter on one of them and Commodo told me that
> > there is no such a file and asked me if I want to create it. Ok, I
> > understand I might have been doing something wrong, but I wanted to
> > read again that dialog message but I couldn't do it and this is not ok.
> > Jaws was not reading anything, so I have chosen that I don't want to
> > create that file.
> >
> > 20. I couldn't see an easy way of defining more bookmarks like in
> > TextPad and this feature is very important for me.
> > I've seen other things like breakpoints and other things, but no
> > hotkeys for creating  a bookmark, deleting a bookmark, jumping to the
> > previous and next bookmark, and deleting all the bookmarks.
> > Isn't this possible with Commodo?
> >
> > Anyway, as you might have seen, Commodo is very hard accessible at
> > least with Jaws 6 without special scripts for it, but even if it can
> > be made to be more accessible, it doesn't have some features other
> > editors have.
> >
> > Is Firefox same... "accessible"?
> >
> > Octavian
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