Re: A real newbee
- From: Tyler Littlefield <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 11:30:22 -0600
C++ is very kind to you. It lets you decide in which foot you'd like to shoot
yourself in. I can't think of another language that lets you allow to shoot
yourself in either foot so many different ways, you can really be creative with
how you do it.
C++'s feature set is a bit daunting. I'm just now starting to fully dive into
templates. I understand the basics, but when you get to templates and other fun
messes, things begin to become a headache.
Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
http://tds-solutions.net
Twitter: sorressean
On Jul 7, 2010, at 11:25 AM, qubit wrote:
> I agree that C++ can be daunting even for someone experienced in software
> development -- that is if you try to learn its full feature set.
> Java is kind of related to the C languages, borrowing a lot of its syntax,
> but C++ and Java are very different in both syntax and semantics (for the
> newbie, semantics are the meanings of the statements you write -- what the
> statements do as opposed to the way they are written.)
> Java is object oriented but unline C++ it also implements "garbage
> collection" as part of the language support, so you don't have to explicitly
> worry about your memory management. Also Java doesn't support multiple
> inheritance like C++, and it enforces object oriented style to a greater
> degree. (C++ allows all kinds of old fashioned C code mixed with the OO
> code, in order to be backward compatible with C. But in doing so, it breaks
> the OO paradigm and so, as they say, it "gives you enough rope to hang
> yourself" if you aren't careful.)
> Finally Java doesn't allow pointers, except for parameters passed by
> reference.
> There are probably more differences, but I actually am a newbie to Java,
> having done C++ for a very long time.
> I like Java -- at first it's kind of like wearing a straight jacket when
> you're used to C++, but in time the restrictions get to be natural, and let
> you focus on the high level design while ignoring the low level details.
> HTH
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:46 AM
> Subject: Re: A real newbee
>
>
> I would recommend starting with C, using a text editor to write simple
> progrrams and command-line compilers to test and run them. That way you
> get a knowledge of the basics of the language. Plunging directly into an
> IDE makes learning the language just that more difficullt, unless you
> are accustomed to using an IDE for another language. After mastering the
> basics of C, it might be better to move on to Java instead of C++. Java
> has a syntax similar to C and incorporates the things learned by
> developers from C++. Bookshare has O'Reilly books that are very good for
> learning C and Java. These are the Nutshell books. I use them myself.
>
> John
>
> On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 09:50:42PM -0600, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> vbsetup is for visual studio .net, vc is visual c++, and vcs is visual c#.
>> vwd is web developer.
>> If you know c, I recommend c# or c++. Having started out with that first,
>> it seems to be the best route because you can easily learn other languages
>> from it.
>> So all you need is a c++ tutorial, the msdn, google and your IDE and life
>> is great.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tyler Littlefield
>> http://tds-solutions.net
>> Twitter: sorressean
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm wondering if someone could please give me some idea where to start?
>>> Back in the 80's I got to know BASIC programming under apple dos and MS
>>> dos quite well. Also in the 80's I had some COBOL, some c, and some
>>> assembler under ms dos. I would now like to learn a little about
>>> programming under 32 bit windows (xp). It could be c or basic.
>>>
>>> I have now downloaded these files from ms:
>>> vbsetup.exe
>>> vcsetup.exe
>>> vcssetup.exe
>>> and
>>> vwdsetup.exe
>>> .
>>>
>>> Which of these do I install? What is my next step?
>>>
>>> Thank you very much.
>>> Howard
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