Thanks for the info Peter. I ordered Acronis and my understanding is that I can use it only on one of my computers! I do not agree with that especially when I use it only at home. Anyway we'll see. LarryB K & L Electronics South Carolina Peter Kaulback wrote: NTFS began with NT 3.1 in 1993. I use GParted, the Gnome Partition Editor http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ and it is free. It boots from a cd or a usb drive. It is a great tool! Peter Kaulback Clint Hamilton-PCWorks Admin-OrpheusComputing. com & ComputersCustomBuilt. com wrote: That's ridiculous. Win2k I think and later uses NTFS. Plus I'm sure more I don't know about. Like I said, too good to be true. Keep looking, I'm sure there's some free ones out there, or at least a trial that will let you use it for a while. Good enough for what you want. -Clint God Bless Clint Hamilton, Owner http://www.OrpheusComputing.com http://www.ComputersCustomBuilt.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryB" Unfortunately, I found out that program does not handle NTFS so would not be recommended. http://partitionlogic.org.uk/ Again sorry about the footers, I answered Hughes email from bell south instead of my Thunderbird. (excuse 127 ha) I guess I was comparing a fresh install vs a repair. So far I have only done the repair function. I was unsure of the fresh install as it always asked about the formatting or partitions. I had trouble with that link as it would not copy into my email for some reason so I put it in my self. LarryB K & L Electronics South Carolina Clint Hamilton-PCWorks Admin-OrpheusComputing. com & ComputersCustomBuilt. com wrote: Well that is a fresh install. When a partition is deleted and recreated, or if you tell XP to install XP over that partition, that's new. I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but any decent disk imaging has its own OS so-to-speak. It's sort of a pseudo-DOS thing that runs before the OS is loaded and that's when the imaging or restoring is done. Some also have options to do it in Windows, but that's not recommended. Norton's Ghost calls theirs PC-DOS. These are still dependent upon an OS, meaning if you're running Linux maybe or some strange OS, they have to support it in order for you to install it. But if you mean they are not dependent meaning they can do their imaging and restoration outside of the OS, correct. That one you mention appears to be different, in that it's never really installed. Interesting. Looks too good to be true. (I fixed the link in your email so it would be clickable). -Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryB" So bottom line is that a fresh install is best. I just found Partition Logic which is free and stand alone. ie you put an image on disk and it has its' own OS therefore not dependant on M$ or any other OS. I'm going to try it. I will put another partition on my HD and then install a fresh XP on that partition. Perhaps after it is working I will delete the original OS partition. You can view this software if interested at http://partitionlogic.org.uk/ LarryB K & L Electronics South Carolina Clint Hamilton-PCWorks Admin-OrpheusComputing. com & ComputersCustomBuilt. com wrote: "If you only have one small partition where the OS is installed, and you want to install XP over that, you can."...... but of course everything on it will be deleted. The "reinstall" of XP, doesn't work. At least it's NOT just a reinstall. It wipes the drive or the partition, contrary to what M$ said about it. I found that out the hard way. -Clint ----- Original Message ----- If you only have one small partition where the OS is installed, and you want to install XP over that, you can. Something other than that, you'll have to wait for more replies. ;-) Yes, if you only have one partition and if you delete that partition, then everything on that partition will be deleted. There's probably some free partition programs out there if you look. Or at least some that can be used free for a certain period of time. -Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryB" On the backup part I would ask if it also backs up the OS. Problem is you can't see what is in the backup without restoring it. I believe I only have one small partition where the OS is installed. I was just concerned that I would delete all on the drive if I deleted the partition and then remade it. I'll look into getting a partitioning program and hope I can use it ok. Thanks as always Clint LarryB K & L Electronics South Carolina Clint Hamilton wrote: I've never tried it, but from the sound of it I believe that "Backup" under System Tools will backup EVERYTHING. "All information on this computer". This is in the basic mode. You can go to Advanced mode and "Backup wizard" and "Backup everything on this computer". As to if "creating a new partition" will delete everything, I can't say for sure because every time I've done that I didn't want to save anything, but reformat. Since nothing was saved from the previous install, obviously I can conclude from that it deletes the drive. However, this was because I chose to create new partitions. But I believe you can create a new partition then install XP on that new partition, but that's iffy because it has to move all the data on the drive to make the room for the new partition. Something like that is best done with a partitioning program. Again, I've never tried to do any of that so I can't answer that part for sure. Now that I remember, I have in the past deleted the Windows partition directory and started over on that C: partition and my other partitions were intact. I had the main C: Windows partition and a storage partition--which remained untouched. I don't know if that's exactly what you want because I don't know if you want to save files on the C: area or another. -Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryB" I notice that when you put your disk in for XP you have choices. One is to repair and another is to install a fresh copy. My questions are when you do a fresh copy you are asked to make a partition. Does that delete all files on you hd? Is there anyway to install a fresh copy without deleting the files on the hd? I have made a backup of all my data files with the M$ backup utility on the computer so I'm not worried about that. 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