Re: [PCWorks] Installation of XP questions

Well that is a fresh install.  When a partition is deleted and 
recreated, or if you tell XP to install XP over that partition, 
that's new.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but any decent disk imaging 
has its own OS so-to-speak.  It's sort of a pseudo-DOS thing 
that runs before the OS is loaded and that's when the imaging 
or restoring is done.  Some also have options to do it in 
Windows, but that's not recommended.  Norton's Ghost calls 
theirs PC-DOS.  These are still dependent upon an OS, meaning 
if you're running Linux maybe or some strange OS, they have to 
support it in order for you to install it.  But if you  mean 
they are not dependent meaning they can do their imaging and 
restoration outside of the OS, correct.  That one you mention 
appears to be different, in that it's never really installed. 
Interesting.  Looks too good to be true.  (I fixed the link in 
your email so it would be clickable).
-Clint

God Bless
Clint Hamilton, Owner
http://www.OrpheusComputing.com
http://www.ComputersCustomBuilt.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "LarryB"

So bottom line is that a fresh install is best.

I just found Partition Logic which is free and stand alone. ie 
you put
an image on disk and it has its' own OS therefore not dependant 
on M$ or
any other OS. I'm going to try it.

I will put another partition on my HD and then install a fresh 
XP on
that partition. Perhaps after it is working I will delete the 
original
OS partition.

You can view this software if interested at 
http://partitionlogic.org.uk/



LarryB
K & L Electronics
South Carolina

Clint Hamilton-PCWorks Admin-OrpheusComputing. com &
ComputersCustomBuilt. com wrote:
"If you only have one small partition where the OS is
installed, and you want to install XP over that, you
can."...... but of course everything on it will be deleted. The
"reinstall" of XP, doesn't work. At least it's NOT just a
reinstall. It wipes the drive or the partition, contrary to
what M$ said about it. I found that out the hard way.
-Clint


----- Original Message -----


If you only have one small partition where the OS is installed,
and you want to install XP over that, you can. Something other
than that, you'll have to wait for more replies. ;-) Yes, if
you only have one partition and if you delete that partition,
then everything on that partition will be deleted.

There's probably some free partition programs out there if you
look. Or at least some that can be used free for a certain
period of time.
-Clint


----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryB"


On the backup part I would ask if it also backs up the OS.
Problem is you can't see what is in the backup without
restoring it.

I believe I only have one small partition where the OS is
installed. I
was just
concerned that I would delete all on the drive if I deleted the
partition and then remade it.

I'll look into getting a partitioning program and hope I can
use it ok.
Thanks as always Clint

LarryB
K & L Electronics
South Carolina

Clint Hamilton wrote:

I've never tried it, but from the sound of it I believe that
"Backup" under System Tools will backup EVERYTHING. "All
information on this computer". This is in the basic mode. You
can go to Advanced mode and "Backup wizard" and "Backup
everything on this computer".

As to if "creating a new partition" will delete everything, I
can't say for sure because every time I've done that I didn't
want to save anything, but reformat. Since nothing was saved
from the previous install, obviously I can conclude from that
it deletes the drive. However, this was because I chose to
create new partitions. But I believe you can create a new
partition then install XP on that new partition, but that's
iffy because it has to move all the data on the drive to make
the room for the new partition. Something like that is best
done with a partitioning program.

Again, I've never tried to do any of that so I can't answer
that part for sure. Now that I remember, I have in the past
deleted the Windows partition directory and started over on
that C: partition and my other partitions were intact. I had
the main C: Windows partition and a storage partition--which
remained untouched. I don't know if that's exactly what you
want because I don't know if you want to save files on the C:
area or another.
-Clint


----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryB"

I notice that when you put your disk in for XP you have
choices. One is
to repair and another is to install a fresh copy.

My questions are when you do a fresh copy you are asked to make
a
partition.
Does that delete all files on you hd?
Is there anyway to install a fresh copy without deleting the
files on
the hd?
I have made a backup of all my data files with the M$ backup
utility on
the computer so I'm not worried about that. It is just
reinstalling
programs that I really do not want to do.





LarryB
K & L Electronics
South Carolina

Clint Hamilton-PCWorks Admin-OrpheusComputing. com &
ComputersCustomBuilt. com wrote:
"If you only have one small partition where the OS is
installed, and you want to install XP over that, you
can."...... but of course everything on it will be deleted. The
"reinstall" of XP, doesn't work. At least it's NOT just a
reinstall. It wipes the drive or the partition, contrary to
what M$ said about it. I found that out the hard way.
-Clint


----- Original Message -----


If you only have one small partition where the OS is installed,
and you want to install XP over that, you can. Something other
than that, you'll have to wait for more replies. ;-) Yes, if
you only have one partition and if you delete that partition,
then everything on that partition will be deleted.

There's probably some free partition programs out there if you
look. Or at least some that can be used free for a certain
period of time.
-Clint


----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryB"


On the backup part I would ask if it also backs up the OS.
Problem is you can't see what is in the backup without
restoring it.

I believe I only have one small partition where the OS is
installed. I
was just
concerned that I would delete all on the drive if I deleted the
partition and then remade it.

I'll look into getting a partitioning program and hope I can
use it ok.
Thanks as always Clint

LarryB
K & L Electronics
South Carolina

Clint Hamilton wrote:

I've never tried it, but from the sound of it I believe that
"Backup" under System Tools will backup EVERYTHING. "All
information on this computer". This is in the basic mode. You
can go to Advanced mode and "Backup wizard" and "Backup
everything on this computer".

As to if "creating a new partition" will delete everything, I
can't say for sure because every time I've done that I didn't
want to save anything, but reformat. Since nothing was saved
from the previous install, obviously I can conclude from that
it deletes the drive. However, this was because I chose to
create new partitions. But I believe you can create a new
partition then install XP on that new partition, but that's
iffy because it has to move all the data on the drive to make
the room for the new partition. Something like that is best
done with a partitioning program.

Again, I've never tried to do any of that so I can't answer
that part for sure. Now that I remember, I have in the past
deleted the Windows partition directory and started over on
that C: partition and my other partitions were intact. I had
the main C: Windows partition and a storage partition--which
remained untouched. I don't know if that's exactly what you
want because I don't know if you want to save files on the C:
area or another.
-Clint


----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryB"

I notice that when you put your disk in for XP you have
choices. One is
to repair and another is to install a fresh copy.

My questions are when you do a fresh copy you are asked to make
a
partition.
Does that delete all files on you hd?
Is there anyway to install a fresh copy without deleting the
files on
the hd?
I have made a backup of all my data files with the M$ backup
utility on
the computer so I'm not worried about that. It is just
reinstalling
programs that I really do not want to do.





LarryB
K & L Electronics
South Carolina

Clint Hamilton-PCWorks Admin-OrpheusComputing. com &
ComputersCustomBuilt. com wrote:
"If you only have one small partition where the OS is
installed, and you want to install XP over that, you
can."...... but of course everything on it will be deleted. The
"reinstall" of XP, doesn't work. At least it's NOT just a
reinstall. It wipes the drive or the partition, contrary to
what M$ said about it. I found that out the hard way.
-Clint


----- Original Message -----


If you only have one small partition where the OS is installed,
and you want to install XP over that, you can. Something other
than that, you'll have to wait for more replies. ;-) Yes, if
you only have one partition and if you delete that partition,
then everything on that partition will be deleted.

There's probably some free partition programs out there if you
look. Or at least some that can be used free for a certain
period of time.
-Clint


----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryB"


On the backup part I would ask if it also backs up the OS.
Problem is you can't see what is in the backup without
restoring it.

I believe I only have one small partition where the OS is
installed. I
was just
concerned that I would delete all on the drive if I deleted the
partition and then remade it.

I'll look into getting a partitioning program and hope I can
use it ok.
Thanks as always Clint

LarryB
K & L Electronics
South Carolina

Clint Hamilton wrote:

I've never tried it, but from the sound of it I believe that
"Backup" under System Tools will backup EVERYTHING. "All
information on this computer". This is in the basic mode. You
can go to Advanced mode and "Backup wizard" and "Backup
everything on this computer".

As to if "creating a new partition" will delete everything, I
can't say for sure because every time I've done that I didn't
want to save anything, but reformat. Since nothing was saved
from the previous install, obviously I can conclude from that
it deletes the drive. However, this was because I chose to
create new partitions. But I believe you can create a new
partition then install XP on that new partition, but that's
iffy because it has to move all the data on the drive to make
the room for the new partition. Something like that is best
done with a partitioning program.

Again, I've never tried to do any of that so I can't answer
that part for sure. Now that I remember, I have in the past
deleted the Windows partition directory and started over on
that C: partition and my other partitions were intact. I had
the main C: Windows partition and a storage partition--which
remained untouched. I don't know if that's exactly what you
want because I don't know if you want to save files on the C:
area or another.
-Clint


----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryB"

I notice that when you put your disk in for XP you have
choices. One is
to repair and another is to install a fresh copy.

My questions are when you do a fresh copy you are asked to make
a
partition.
Does that delete all files on you hd?
Is there anyway to install a fresh copy without deleting the
files on
the hd?
I have made a backup of all my data files with the M$ backup
utility on
the computer so I'm not worried about that. It is just
reinstalling
programs that I really do not want to do.


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