Of course they say it's "not their problem", that's what ISP's ALWAYS say. But the fact is; if you've never had this problem before, and it only started when you or they changed ISP's, that only leaves one possible reason--them. What about the software questions I asked? And if your ISP had you change anything on your PC? I'm not sure why you'd have to open any ports. And I've never seen a modem that needed a user and pass, unless it's a combo modem/router. I've never had to do anything with any of my routers I've ever used. Once you change the login info (and yes, you can do that), they've always been immediately ready to use. I've never seen a router that wouldn't allow you to change the login info, they most always the same login by default (I THINK something like "admin" for the user but I can't remember the password). But then again I've never gotten a router from an ISP. But I would still think it could be changed; also I've never seen a router that didn't have a "reset" button which is supposed to clear everything, including the current login data. If you can find out (or if anyone knows) the ports being used by this radio website and the media players, you can test the ports. Try https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 then you have to click the "Proceed" button on that page. You can click "All Service Ports" where it will scan the first 1056 TCP ports (and I'm not sure why they call it '"ALL" Service Ports'), to see if any are blocked. Or you can type the port number in the text box then below that to the left click either "Custom port probe" or to the right "Port info". (Those are the alt tags text for the links). Note that if you click the Info only link, it's just that. But if you click the Probe link, it will test the port and give you the info about the port. Also note that after clicking any link on that page and you click the <Back button to do back to it, it gives that annoying "Page has expired" thing every time and you have to Refresh the page to do another probe or info check. I'm curious what happens when you try other radio sites, does this happen with ANY audio or the audio files just at that one website? Do you know if the media players open IMMEDIATELY and just won't play immediately, or is there a delay in the PLAYERS themselves opening up? -Clint God Bless, Clint Hamilton, Owner www.OrpheusComputing.com www.ComputersCustomBuilt.com www.OrpheusComputing.com/most_reliable_cheapest_webhosting.html www.OrpheusComputing.com/office/computer_accessories.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" Clint, My ISP has no idea why I'm having this streaming problem. They have me go to youtube and try listening to something there, and of course, it works and therefore, they say it's not their problem. I try to explain that youtube uses an internal player and not a player like Media Player but I don't think they really understand what I'm saying and maybe they don't even believe I know what I'm talking about. I can't convince them the problem just started when they switched from using Verizon DSL to value.net. I think I'll try resetting my modem/router and start all over again. Only problem is that I have to open the FTP ports, a couple streaming ports, port 13 for nistime, and a few others. Not a problem, just an inconvenience. I have a DSL modem I got from this ISP several years ago but I think it has my user name and password hard coded into it. There's no way to access the settings, or so they told meback when I got it. Maybe I'll play with it a bit. Oh well, it gives my brain something to try to figure out. Tom ** Your Message ** >Tom I thought we determined that this was your ISP? If this >only started happening after changing ISP's, these issues >have to point to them. (BIG) Unfortunately, getting them to >DO anything about it or even ADMIT it, may be impossible. >You may have to end up getting a different ISP. ========================= The list's FAQ's can be seen by sending an email to PCWorks-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with FAQ in the subject line. To unsubscribe, subscribe, set Digest or Vacation to on or off, go to //www.freelists.org/list/pcworks . You can also send an email to PCWorks-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with Unsubscribe in the subject line. Your member list settings can be found at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi/l=pcworks . Once logged in, you have access to numerous other email options. The list archives are located at //www.freelists.org/archives/pcworks/ . All email posted to the list will be placed there in the event anyone needs to look for previous posts. -zxdjhu-