I've saved this e-mail - the way my computer likes to be taken over by the mischievous elves, it would be a lot cheaper to reformat myself rather than sending it out - then too when I replace this system I plan to still keep the computer and want to be able to keep it clean - thanks! Dolores ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <mikebike@xxxxxxxxx> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:55 PM Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: freezing Hi Sylvia, here is a tutorial that Ron Allen wrote for my newsletter a couple of years back but it is still valid info.; Reinstalling Windows, Clean Install By Ron Allen <chizotz@xxxxxxxxxxx> Here's a step-by-step, or as close to one as I can manage, for you :) Under Windows9x, you create a boot floppy disk by formatting a floppy from within Windows Explorer and ticking the "Copy system files" option. Alternately, from a DOS prompt you can put a floppy in your a: drive and then use format a: /s {enter} which formats the disk and copies the system files to the floppy and makes it bootable. Then you need to copy several DOS utilities from your c:\windows\command folder over to the floppy. You have to have: format.com mscdex.exe which is the DOS program that formats disks and the DOS CD-ROM support file, respectively. I also like to have: fdisk.exe edit.com on the boot floppy. FDisk is the hard drive partitioning utility, and edit.com is the DOS text editor, handy for reading files and for making changes to autoexec.bat and config.sys files if needed. Now you will be installing Windows from your CD-ROM drive, so you also have to copy your DOS CD-ROM drivers to the floppy and set up the autoexec.bat and config.sys files on the floppy to load your CD-ROM drivers. You just have to know what the DOS driver for your CD-ROM is, there is no way for me to tell you since it may be named almost anything. You might get a hint from loading your config.sys file from c:\ into notepad and looking for a line, possibly REM'd out by Windows setup, that includes the path to a file ending in the .sys extension and followed by something like /D:x where x is a string of characters and/or numbers, i.e. /D:CD001 or /D:MSCD01 or similar. Your CD-ROM drive should have come with a floppy disk with the DOS driver on it, and some kind of documentation to tell you what the file is called. That may be a better place to look... if you still have that floppy and documentation. At any rate, you need to create an autoexec.bat file on the floppy that looks something like this: MSCDEX.EXE /D:MSCD001 and a config.sys file that looks something like this DEVICE=CDTECH.SYS /D:MSCD001 LASTDRIVE=Z Where "CDTECH.SYS" is replaced by the file name of your CD-ROM driver file. Note that the parts after the MSCDEX.EXE and the CD-ROM driver file name are IDENTICAL. This is extremely important for the CD-ROM to work. The actual characters after the /D: part are not as important as the fact that the exact string is used in both autoexec.bat and config.sys. Try booting your system using the boot floppy. Your computer should boot to an a:\ prompt, and you should be able to change directory to d:\ where d:\ is replaced, if needed, with the drive letter of your CD drive (make sure there is a CD in the drive). cd d:\ {enter} dir {enter} If this displays the directory listing of the CD in the drive, then your CD-ROM support is working. Mike reminded me recently that it's a good idea to use XDrive (http://www.xdrive.com) or another such Internet drive site to store a copy of your boot floppy on so even in the event of a complete hard disk crash at the same time you discover a bad boot floppy you can still get a boot floppy already customized for your computer as long as you can get to the Internet some way. By the way, you can also create a boot floppy from start - settings - control panel - add/remove programs - startup disk but this also installs a RAM drive that automatically loads when you boot with it and some utilities you don't really need (at least, I never have) and leaves off a few things you do want. The RAM drive causes problems later because it installs between your hard drive(s) and your CD-ROM drive(s) in the drive list. Meaning that if you have just a C: drive and D: drive in your system, with the RAM drive running you will have a C: D: and E: drives, where D: is the RAM drive and E: is the CD drive. This changing of drive letters is particularly annoying later when Windows is installed, the RAM drive gone, and yet Windows constantly asks you to find the Windows CD for it because it keeps on expecting to find it in drive E instead of D. This, too, can be fixed... but I prefer to just avoid the situation all together :) Now that you have a working boot floppy with the needed support files on it, you can continue the process. BACK UP YOUR DATA FILES! When you format the hard drive, all data is LOST. So you need to copy all of your data files to floppy disks, backup tapes, CD-R/CD-RW -- somewhere where you can copy them back later. By data files I mean all of the files that you have created that hold the data that will not be reinstalled with the software. Examples: word processor document files (letters, recipes, etc.) spreadsheet files and other financial records image files you have downloaded or created music files you have downloaded or created and so on. Also, if you have downloaded programs from the net, you need to also back up the original .zip or .exe files so you can later reinstall them. Once your data files are backed up, and you have your boot floppy, original Windows CD, and any and all hardware driver CD's or floppies, you are ready to format the hard drive. Boot the computer with the boot floppy. At the a:\ prompt format c: {enter} You should see a warning about all data on non-removable disk C: being lost. Press Y to continue, and it will say it is formatting C: and give you updates on percentage done. When the format is complete, you will be prompted to enter a name for the hard disk. I always name my main boot drive MAIN, but any name 10 characters or less will do. Enter the name and press {enter} and you will be returned to the a:\ prompt with a newly formatted c:\ drive. Now put the Windows CD in the drive. cd d:\ {enter} setup.exe {enter} (where d is the letter of your CD drive again) will start Windows setup. Follow the prompts and soon you will have Windows reinstalled. Then you can reinstall your programs, recopy your data files back to the hard drive, and, finally, you're back in business. Hopefully with a lean, mean, clean, pristine, smoothly running computer. You can install any Windows upgrade directly from the upgrade CD, provided that you have an original full-install version of Windows either on CD or floppy. During the Windows setup, about the third or fourth step I believe, you'll get a message that the version you are installing is an upgrade but no previous version of Windows was found. There will be a "browse" button. Put the full version CD of the previous Windows version you have (or the first floppy of the install set, if you have Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 on floppy) in and browse to the drive you put it in. Click on OK (or "select" or whatever the actual button says) and setup will verify that you do, indeed, have a legitimate full version of Windows and qualify for the upgrade. It will (should) ask you to replace the Windows setup disk in the CD drive and will continue to install the latest version of Windows on your machine. Hope this helps! Ron _________________________ Mike *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 15/01/2004 at 11:18 AM sylviavandewall wrote: Hi Mike, I wish to do a clean install on a computer of one of the senioers I = help, he has Win98, 500 Mhz, 320 RAM, and FAT32. How do I go to about to save the drivers and internet settings as you = said here?? What are the best steps to take? Thanks in advance, Sylvia.......Holland You will have to have your drivers, and internet setting saved so that = you can re input the information if something goes wrong. You may wish to do a clean install if you can backup all your important information. 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