Hi Ekhart, (re-sending) Based on what you say, it sounds like you don't have NAT or DHCP turned on in the modem/router, so the computers are getting IP addresses assigned by the ISP. Around here, you're generally expected to pay per public IP address; you might ask your ISP if they do that. Friday, January 23, 2004, 5:01:22 AM, you wrote: EGlnl> It seems my combination ADSL modem + router has NAT possibility, but EGlnl> it's apparently not activated and i couldn't find any info on the EGlnl> manufacturer's site on how to do that: EGlnl> (ftp://ftp.avaks.com/rr44/rr44specsUK.pdf EGlnl> http://www.avaks.com/RR44.html?id=H7Vf7K8z) EGlnl> I guess that i'll have to call them. The page says "configurable with browser". Go to http://10.0.0.2. When prompted, the user name is "admin" and the password is "password" or "conexant". NAT is under the Configuration menu. Details here: ftp://ftp.avaks.com/rr44/3c07T%20RoadRunner%2040B-44B%20UK.pdf EGlnl> I do seem to have public IP addresses on all the three computers i have EGlnl> on my home network, and since this seems to be the most common situation EGlnl> at least in this country, TCP/IP as the default home networking protocol EGlnl> looks like a fairly common and in any case completely unnecessary EGlnl> problem literally created by MS. All the routers that I've seen here, so far, seem to have NAT on by default. Yours appears to have it off by default. EGlnl> I've got my XP and 98 connected now, and the IP addresses are EGlnl> 80.186.147.187 EGlnl> 80.186.158.35 EGlnl> I found some info somewhere that said these are public. Is that true? Yes. EGlnl> default gateway: 80.186.128.1 "Elisa Internet Ltd" EGlnl> How can i find out what is visible from outside? I ran the Sygate scan EGlnl> on http://scan.sygate.com/probe.html and got the following result for EGlnl> the XP (and the equivalent for the 98) with the same IP addresses, but EGlnl> it seems to also say that my outside address could still be something else?: EGlnl> We have determined that your IP address is 80.186.147.187 EGlnl> This is the public IP address that is visible to the internet. EGlnl> Note: this may not be your IP address if you are connecting through a EGlnl> router, proxy or firewall. At work, my computer has a public IP address. However, due to corporate firewall and proxy server, my IP address is not visible to the outside; instead the IP address of the proxy server is what web sites see. The SyGate scan tells you what is visible from the outside. You might also try ShieldsUp! a https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 -- it has fairly good documentation. EGlnl> No hurry answering Good, because I had to think about my reply. ;) --Scott. Regards, John Durham (list moderator) <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> Freelists login at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi List archives at //www.freelists.org/archives/pchelpers PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied.