Dennis: One thing that everyone is missing with their comments is the fact that enterprise grid computing has not been made real yet. I fully agree with people's comments that comparisons to the Electronic Grid are unfounded, however, Larry seems to compare the reliability of his technology to it. Guess we should expect a failure sometime in August. Here's the central issue. Corporations and Matt Adams at GE can speak very direct to this, prefer to have islands of data at the department/division level. It provides/facilitates better management, better control and allows computing resources to handle isolated demands should individual applications require it. Here the pricing issue folks. You would have heard this at IOUG Live but I couldn't make it this year. To fully enable grid computing, you need to throw out all hard-wired storage in favor of Network Attached Storage. You need to deploy standardized hardware technologies so that connections to the grid are standardized. For third party products that have not adopted a grid pricing strategy, you must price their products accordingly. So, I'm going to throw out all of my hardware just to implement an enterprise grid? I don't think so. I may experiment with the concept, using a small regional application or change specific portions of my data center, at hardware upgrade time, to implement a grid, but I sincerely doubt that enterprises are going to make the switch. Mladen had a great statement. Grid Computing realities will not be seen for several years. CERN already has one up and running and Oracle is working directly with them to ensure the thing stays up. That's why you are seeing all of the security alerts lately. For anyone that is implementing Grid, Oracle is directly involved. My .1c. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Toll Free: (800) 462-7740 ext. 74350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: Stephen.Karniotis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Web: www.compuware.com -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 2:37 PM To: 'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: Grid skepticism List - The author of this article has some provocative ideas about Oracle's grid initiative. http://www.devx.com/opinion/Article/21387 Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. dwilliams@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html -----------------------------------------------------------------