It may also hurt PeopleSoft and I would not be surprised that SAP takes = a hit too. To the betterment of us all. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -----Original Message----- From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:DWILLIAMS@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:27 PM To: 'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: RE: Grid skepticism I think you receive those deep discounts based on your leverage with = Oracle. If you are a large prospective customer that may buy a lot of licenses, = they get much more interested in discounting. Does anybody remember time-sharing? If you sell to the U.S. = government there is a law that you must give them the best deal you've ever given = any customer. For services at least. There were several components to = pricing time-sharing -- CPU cycles, disk storage, memory, etc. Some government auditors went through our books looking for the best deal we'd ever = given any customer for any of the components. If some salesman had given a customer free disk storage to close a deal, the auditors insisted that = was the price Uncle Sam would pay. Not pretty. These revelations may cost = Oracle in unexpected ways. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. dwilliams@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Freeman, Donald Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 2:24 PM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Grid skepticism >Anyway, I just read an article yesterday, sorry lost >the link, saying people are getting 70-80% discounts >on Oracle, et al, licenses already. If I'm not mistaken that reference comes from some Oracle internal =3D documents disclosed in the Peoplesoft issue. Sales reps were requesting = =3D permission to discount that deep to go after Peoplesoft accounts.=3D20 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html -----------------------------------------------------------------