[opendtv] Re: Digital TV: Brazil to Adopt Anything But the American System
- From: Tom Barry <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:39:17 -0500
Does anyone have any problem with my cross posting quotes from this
thread on AV Science Forum or elsewhere?
- Tom
nat ostroff wrote:
> Congressional sources have been informed but seem uninterested!! Imagine
> THAT!
>
> Nat
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Barry" <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 5:35 PM
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: Digital TV: Brazil to Adopt Anything But the American
> System
>
>
>
>>I think you are saying broadcasters no longer dare competing (or
>>appearing to compete) with the alternate distribution channels that are
>>slowly squeezing them out and having their lunch. If that's the case
>>then I guess it is already too late for them.
>>
>>However it might be nice if some Congressman noticed your post and
>>forced names to be named since that sort of behavior is anti-competitive
>>and also greatly delays the eventual spectrum auction that would kick
>>start this whole process once again (and garner billions for the US
>>Government).
>>
>>- Tom
>>
>>
>>nat ostroff wrote:
>>
>>>Here is something to contemplate:
>>>
>>>When a broadcast group (to remain unnamed) produced a 30 second spot to
>>>promote their over the air DTV signals and HD a cable company (to be
>>>unnamed) responded by terminating $2,000,000 worth of advertising. The
>>>reason? The broadcast stations were competing with the cable company!
>
> Now,
>
>>>given that kind of leverage can broadcast stations really promote their
>
> over
>
>>>the air, non revenue producing, DTV signals? This is not a fable! It
>
> really
>
>>>happened!
>>>
>>>Nat Ostroff
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Albert Manfredi" <bert22306@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:16 PM
>>>Subject: [opendtv] Re: Digital TV: Brazil to Adopt Anything But the
>
> American
>
>>>System
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tom Barry wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Manfredi, Albert E wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm simply saying that we have ATSC, we have "miracle
>>>>>>chips" that finally work, so why aren't broadcasters at
>>>>>>very least pushing to get these improved products out
>>>>>>to the public?
>>>>>
>>>>>Because broadcasters do not sell CE products. CE
>>>>>companies do.
>>>>
>>>>Tom, do you really think that cable and DBS companies would be equally
>>>>uninterested and uninvolved in the existence, or lack thereof, of
>>>
>>>interface
>>>
>>>
>>>>boxes to their media? Or telephone companies?
>>>>
>>>>Do you really think that auto companies would think of marketing an
>>>>automobile without knowing if the tire companies had adequate tires for
>>>
>>>it?
>>>
>>>
>>>>Just sort of leave that up to chance? Hey, we aren't tire companies, we
>>>>can't be held responsible for that minor detail?
>>>>
>>>>Since we indulge in conspiracy theories so readily on here, why isn't
>
> the
>
>>>>reason much more likely to be what Craig has often advocated? That it is
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>the advantage of the broadcasters that OTA work poorly, so they are
>>>>"guaranteed" access to umbillical media. And that their OTA plants are
>>>
>>>only
>>>
>>>
>>>>there to meet a bureaucratic requirement for the rights to the other
>>>
>>>media?
>>>
>>>
>>>>So let's not push for the corrected products to reach consumers. Let the
>>>>ancient designs, expensive and inferior in performance, persist, so we
>
> can
>
>>>>used our same old tired song from 1999 to get access to the other media.
>>>>
>>>>I can't begin to understand why last weekend, in late January of 2006,
>
> the
>
>>>>best box I could buy in any store was a design that is more primitive
>
> than
>
>>>>what the CRC tested, and submitted in a report, on 4 April 2002. This is
>
> a
>
>>>>completely preposterous, and frustrating, state of affairs.
>>>>
>>>>For that matter, I also can't understand why the majority of stations
>>>
>>>can't
>>>
>>>
>>>>go to the tiny effort it must take to keep their DTT clocks half-way on
>>>>time. I don't even mean within seconds, but is a couple of minutes, at
>>>>least, asking too much? Is this evidence of "who the heck cares," or
>
> what?
>
>>>>
>>>>>And the CE companies obviously do not believe those
>>>>>ATSC products exist that can be profitably sold at this time.
>>>>
>>>>I laughed out loud today when, in a radio newscast, I heard that some
>>>
>>>people
>>>
>>>
>>>>were going to be "forced" to watch the Superbowl in SD. Know why?
>
> Because
>
>>>>many cable companies don't carry ABC in HD. Imagine that. Hey, how many
>>>>spots have we seen where ABC explains to the viewers how to get access
>
> to
>
>>>>their OTA HD feed? Must be that cable is the only way to get ABC, or for
>>>>sure we would have heard otherwise, right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>They may exist on paper or on one-off demos
>>>>
>>>>They exist on more than paper. Yet, we keep hearing a retelling of
>
> events
>
>>>>from 1999, as if in the interim, nothing had happened. The excuse given
>>>
>>>for
>>>
>>>
>>>>my having to buy a CE product some three to four years obsolete is that
>>>>seven years ago, some comparison test looked bad for ATSC. How
>>>
>>>illuminating.
>>>
>>>
>>>>How many times have we heard broadcasters referring, in passing, to the
>>>
>>>"30
>>>
>>>
>>>>foot mast requirement" for ATSC reception, as if that were fact? Even
>
> with
>
>>>>my obsolete STBs it's not fact. But hey, why not make a bad situation
>
> even
>
>>>>worse?
>>>>
>>>>Bert
>>>>
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