[opendtv] Re: Digital TV: Brazil to Adopt Anything But the American System
- From: Nat Ostroff <nostroff@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:40:40 -0500
I know that we did have support and I personally appreciated it.
However, the cards were stacked against us because the NAB and it's
kissing cousin the MSTV seemed to be the captive of inside the beltway
Washington interests. At the time it was hard to believe but now, given
the big buck moves by NEXTELL and Qualcom and others it seems more
plausable.
Thanks for the support in the past. If any organization rises to the
issue again I hope you will once again lend a hand.
Nat Ostroff
William Smith wrote:
>replace know with knows
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>William Smith wrote:
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>>Nat all I can say is that we (Ask Mark He know who) agreed firmly with
>>your position as did APTS...
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>>NAB should be National Association of B Sers..
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>>nat ostroff wrote:
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>>>Well well well, Was it not the NAB backed by MSTV that proclaimed "US
>>>Broadcasters have little or no interest in mobile reception of DTV"? We at
>>>Sinclair still bear the scars of trying to alter THAT mentality. So, why is
>>>the Broadcast industry STILL relying on the NAB for leadership? Is it an
>>>industrry wide death wish? Recently I was told by a senior member of ATSC
>>>that Sinclair should organize a broadcaster group to speak out at the ATSC
>>>for change. Frankly, we have been there and done that. How about someone
>>>else rising to the occasion? We would certainly support such an effort. Best
>>>to be wearing body armour however.
>>>
>>>
>>>Nat Ostroff
>>>Sinclair Broadcast Group
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "William Smith" <wsmith@xxxxxxx>
>>>To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:57 PM
>>>Subject: [opendtv] Re: Digital TV: Brazil to Adopt Anything But the American
>>>System
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>>>>The first step to solving the problem is admitting you have one..
>>>>
>>>>The old model doesn't work anymore....and the industry is on life
>>>>
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>>>support...
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>>>><climbing soapbox>
>>>>
>>>>In my opinion the only real hope is to take control of the converging
>>>>technologies...you cannot rely on 8-VSB to reach the public at large...
>>>>
>>>>You are not in the broadcast business anymore you are in the content
>>>>distribution business..
>>>>
>>>>The transmitter is your STL to everything ..
>>>>
>>>>1. Run one SD MPEG-2 stream in ATSC to make the FCC happy...
>>>>
>>>>2. Add datacasting support for files and video streams using advanced
>>>>codecs.
>>>>
>>>>3. Make the systems technology agnostic using IP as the glue.. to help
>>>>stave off being bypassed..
>>>>
>>>>4.Gateway the IP traffic to station owned local WI Max and WIfi hot
>>>>spots to get your content to the public.
>>>>
>>>>5.Educate people on how to get your services by every means you can
>>>>think off including providing datacast reception software for free.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Have you ever considered how far a WiFi hot spot might reach from the
>>>>top of your tower??
>>>>
>>>>Since The industry was so short sighted, and refused to think outside
>>>>the box by staying with 8-VSB we are now in the fight for our very
>>>>survival..
>>>>
>>>><Climbing down>
>>>>
>>>>We are working a pilot now based on the above... currently targeting a
>>>>limited audience.. Steps 1,2, and 3 are done.. working on 4 now...
>>>>
>>>>Otherwise..
>>>>Better start saving money to buy the spectrum when its auctioned
>>>>off....so you can switch your DTV plant to COFDM...and start selling DVB
>>>>based set top boxes...
>>>>
>>>>Crosley did it back in the 20's ... He wanted to sell radios so he built
>>>>WLW.. and sold both spots and radios...
>>>>
>>>>William
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>>>>Mark Aitken (Work @ Home) wrote:
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>>>>>OK Doctor...you have one chance in the operating room. You have but one
>>>>>choice, because this is NOT elective surgery. It will be a long a long
>>>>>one...What, my esteemed colleague, is the course of action?
>>>>>
>>>>>Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "William Smith" <wsmith@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:22 PM
>>>>>Subject: [opendtv] Re: Digital TV: Brazil to Adopt Anything But the
>>>>>
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>>>American
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>>>>>System
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>>>>>>Bert,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The lost opportunity costs are beyond calculation..look at Qualcomm's
>>>>>>service ... that should have been broadcasters..as it stands now its
>>>>>>only a matter of time before one of two things happen.. Broadcasters
>>>>>>wake up and fix this mess .. or the OTA ATSC video service will die a
>>>>>>quick death (10-15 years) and the FCC will auction more spectrum to
>>>>>>allow others to pick at the broadcasters carcass...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>William
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Manfredi, Albert E wrote:
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>>>>>>>Nick Kocsis wrote:
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>>>>>>>>Portability and mobility trumps any amount of money if
>>>>>>>>the goal is to use spectrum in a manner that serves the
>>>>>>>>public and not the politicians that get all those
>>>>>>>>juicy trips and dinners paid for by the lobbyists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I guess my point was that it seemed fairly clear that the issues were
>>>>>>>NOT entirely technical. There were apparently other considerations
>>>>>>>there, including possible development work done in country as a result
>>>>>>>of the choice. This is entirely commonplace in this sort of
>>>>>>>
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>>>negotiation.
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>>>>>>>Not to mention the 300M Euro loan, which I doubt the ATSC so far has
>>>>>>>matched (but I don't know this for a fact).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The technical tradeoffs are debatable ad nauseam. Brazil is a
>>>>>>>geographically enormous country. Certainly, anyone with the guts to do
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>a
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>>>>>>>long range reception comparison test between the three standards could
>>>>>>>make the case that a scheme optimized for long range, at equal
>>>>>>>
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>>>bandwidth
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>>>>>>>and power, would be beneficial to such a huge country. Just a point to
>>>>>>>consider, among many.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Obviously, choosing a COFDM scheme would not be a mistake. However, I
>>>>>>>don't think the mea culpa attitude about all related to ATSC or the US
>>>>>>>govt is valid either. The price of ATSC boxes, being HD especially, is
>>>>>>>simply not going to be a valid argument anymore. The cost/price
>>>>>>>differential is inconsequential.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bert
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>Technology Division ----------------------
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