Hi – One of the difficult lessons here is that when we really examine them carefully, Least Sandpipers are incredibly variable. They vary in posture, head pattern, leg and toe proportions, bill size and shape – you name it. I bet if we look long enough we’ll find some birds with pale bill bases that otherwise look more like Leasts then Long-toes. I have no personal experience with conclusively identified Long-toed Stints, but from examination of photos, I suspect the same is true for them – highly variable as well. I often imagine the difficulty a birder in Thailand, say might have poring over flocks of peeps trying to pick out a vagrant Least Sandpiper, and periodically finding birds that look “different” from Long-toes, but not able to nail down any as definite Leasts. Wayne From: obol-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:obol-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shawneen Finnegan Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 9:40 AM To: obol@xxxxxxxxxxxxx OBOL Subject: [obol] Re: Calidris ID help (Least vs. Long-toed) All: I would say this is a Least Sandpiper, but this is a very difficult ID that has stumped the best, particularly in basic plumage. Leasts can stretch up regularly and look tall and upright which throws people off. Bob Archer brings up some interesting points, but doesn't mention face pattern and lower bill base color, which is the first thing I look for. Long-toed Stints, particularly juveniles, have a different face pattern that differs from Least in that the dark crown extends to the base of the bill and connects with the dark eyeline, such that the white supercilium doesn't reach the base of the bill. It creates a "J". This is less pronounced in basic plumage. The supercilium on Least extends to the base of the bill. This bird shows a faint facial pattern with some duskiness at the base of the bill at the forward part of the supercilium. The other thing is that Long-toeds usually, but not always, have a pale base to the bill, which this bird does not and vice versa with Leasts. There is mud at the base of this bird's bill on its right side, but not on the left which shows the bill to be very black. Leg length can be hard to determine because of Least's propensity to crouch. Unless they stand up and look alert like the bird in question, seeing how long the upper half of their legs are can be difficult to see. The first thing I always do is hit the books and internet search for photos of both species. Monte Taylor has a number of photos of LTST on his website at: http://www.tsuru-bird.net/a_species/stint_long-toed/ Years ago Rich Stallcup thought he had found a Long-toed in Marin County, CA, which was finally deemed a Least Sandpiper. See video/blog by Keith Hansen who took lots of video of it below. The record was never submitted as I believe it was finally deemed to be a Least Sandpiper. But it shows just how hard these can be. http://thebloggerhead.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/interesting-sandpiper-has-birders-talking-learning-considering/ Off to work. No more time to contemplate this. Shawneen Finnegan Portland, OR