[ntnm] Re: Emailed papers
- From: "goshawk on horseback" <goshawk_on_horseback@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 21:12:02 +0100
never had this, or any other problem with it myself.
Simon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rod" <rod.carne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 1:36 PM
Subject: [ntnm] Re: Emailed papers
Hi, For me the question should be: Why did NTNM persist for so long using
the same file extension as Microsoft and totally confusing other software
products in the process! Atechnic whilst it is a brilliant product was
sometimes very irritating when it tried to pick up any Zip file that you
were trying to extract! Rod Carne
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> On 24 May 2014, at 10:33, "Gareth Williams"
> <edward.williams123@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi Isaac
>
> It might save RNIB some aggravation if they were to explain why they
> cannot offer the .doc option along with all the others they do now
> provide. There may be a good technical reason for this, which you may be
> able to explain, since they seem reluctant to do so.
>
> As you know, I can use the new system perfectly well, though I don't like
> it because the structuring is abysmal, but there are clearly those who
> need the old system as the rely on the Atechnics Reader or your own
> SpeakOn.
>
> I wonder if it was necessary to offer six new alternatives while getting
> rid of one which worked perfectly well, even if, as you say, it was ten
> years out of date. If it worked, did this matter?
>
> All the best
>
> Gareth
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Isaac Porat
> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:39 AM
> To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ntnm] Re: Emailed papers
>
> Hi
>
> I would like to clarify a few things on my side and the opinions in
> this email are just my own.
>
> SpeakOn and the a-technic news reader are two separate programs both
> started their life in the a-technic charity. SpeakOn was developed and
> continued to be developed further by myself in my free time and I am
> engaged with RNIB to update it for the new service; they still have to
> do some work on their server to facilitate this which they indicated
> that they are willing to do.
>
> The a-technic news reader was developed earlier by somebody else, when
> the only format available was the TNAUK '.doc'. It worked well and has
> not been maintained for the last ten years or so.
> The a-technic news reader uses the old TNAUK '.doc' zipped format (it
> has no format of its own) and without this format it does not work.
> The a-technic charity has reduced its activity its website would be shut
> down soon; as long as it was relevant I agreed to host the a-technic
> news reader on the SpeakOn website.
>
> With the a-technic newsreader the publication is broken into linked
> multiple HTML pages and it was created before TNAUK (and now RNIB)
> offered HTML format directly, one can therefore argue that it is not
> required any more.
>
> Regarding HTML, there are two issues here, format and structure.
>
> In my view the single page HTML format itself produced by RNIB can do
> with some improvements but it is generally fine; anybody with basic
> screen reader skills should be able to navigate and read the
> publications. Single and multiple page HTML formats have of course their
> advantages and disadvantages
>
> The output of those publications that are produced manually like the New
> Scientist is very good and easier to navigate. The output of some of
> the other magazines, such as the Economist, the national and regional
> newspapers produced by the RNIB automatic
> system is unstructured and thus difficult to navigate making reading
> these publications hard work.
>
> In other words the problems are due to lack of structure which affects
> all formats and not the HTML format itself.
>
> Regards
> Isaac
>
>> On 23/05/2014 23:18, Derek Hornby wrote:
>> Hello Alison
>> So it's not really true then to say:
>> "Our tests to date have been successful"
>>
>>
>> Also Isaac has said on this list:
>>
>>
>> "The a-technic reader works with the old TNAUK zipped '.doc'
>> which RNIB does not support anymore.
>> The a-technic reader is still currently on the SpeakOn website and I
>> shall remove it as it is not relevant to the new service anymore.!"
>>
>> So RNIB does not suport the newsreader ?
>> And Isaac does not feel it's relavant.?
>>
>> Regards, Derek
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Long, Alison
>> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 10:44 PM
>> To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ntnm] Re: Emailed papers
>>
>> Hello Derek
>> Speaking to Dolphin this week, following tests they have conducted, it
>> is possible to access the email service using Guide, but there is more
>> development work required to make it more user-friendly. RNIB and
>> Dolphin are committed to this development work. As I mentioned in my
>> post regarding the development roadmap, our developers are in contact
>> with Isaac regarding the newsreader and it is our next priority. As
>> soon as I have an update I will share it with the forum.
>>
>> We are conscious that switching on the email delivery service is not
>> going to provide all customers with the content they have previously
>> enjoyed, we will continue to work hard on this . I can only apologise
>> again.
>> Regards
>> Alison
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Derek Hornby
>> Sent: 23 May 2014 22:08
>> To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ntnm] Emailed papers
>>
>> Hello Alison
>> You said in news letter:
>>
>> "Our tests to date have been successful, we just have some final testing
>> to do early next week so that we can switch on the full service."
>>
>> Does this mean those using Guide, will be able to access the emailed
>> Papers. Also, will the a-technic newsreader now work ok.
>>
>> Regards, Derek
>>
>>
>>
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