Hi, For me the question should be: Why did NTNM persist for so long using the same file extension as Microsoft and totally confusing other software products in the process! Atechnic whilst it is a brilliant product was sometimes very irritating when it tried to pick up any Zip file that you were trying to extract! Rod Carne Sent from my iPad > On 24 May 2014, at 10:33, "Gareth Williams" > <edward.williams123@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi Isaac > > It might save RNIB some aggravation if they were to explain why they cannot > offer the .doc option along with all the others they do now provide. There > may be a good technical reason for this, which you may be able to explain, > since they seem reluctant to do so. > > As you know, I can use the new system perfectly well, though I don't like it > because the structuring is abysmal, but there are clearly those who need the > old system as the rely on the Atechnics Reader or your own SpeakOn. > > I wonder if it was necessary to offer six new alternatives while getting rid > of one which worked perfectly well, even if, as you say, it was ten years out > of date. If it worked, did this matter? > > All the best > > Gareth > > > -----Original Message----- From: Isaac Porat > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:39 AM > To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [ntnm] Re: Emailed papers > > Hi > > I would like to clarify a few things on my side and the opinions in > this email are just my own. > > SpeakOn and the a-technic news reader are two separate programs both > started their life in the a-technic charity. SpeakOn was developed and > continued to be developed further by myself in my free time and I am > engaged with RNIB to update it for the new service; they still have to > do some work on their server to facilitate this which they indicated > that they are willing to do. > > The a-technic news reader was developed earlier by somebody else, when > the only format available was the TNAUK '.doc'. It worked well and has > not been maintained for the last ten years or so. > The a-technic news reader uses the old TNAUK '.doc' zipped format (it > has no format of its own) and without this format it does not work. > The a-technic charity has reduced its activity its website would be shut > down soon; as long as it was relevant I agreed to host the a-technic > news reader on the SpeakOn website. > > With the a-technic newsreader the publication is broken into linked > multiple HTML pages and it was created before TNAUK (and now RNIB) > offered HTML format directly, one can therefore argue that it is not > required any more. > > Regarding HTML, there are two issues here, format and structure. > > In my view the single page HTML format itself produced by RNIB can do > with some improvements but it is generally fine; anybody with basic > screen reader skills should be able to navigate and read the > publications. Single and multiple page HTML formats have of course their > advantages and disadvantages > > The output of those publications that are produced manually like the New > Scientist is very good and easier to navigate. The output of some of > the other magazines, such as the Economist, the national and regional > newspapers produced by the RNIB automatic > system is unstructured and thus difficult to navigate making reading > these publications hard work. > > In other words the problems are due to lack of structure which affects > all formats and not the HTML format itself. > > Regards > Isaac > >> On 23/05/2014 23:18, Derek Hornby wrote: >> Hello Alison >> So it's not really true then to say: >> "Our tests to date have been successful" >> >> >> Also Isaac has said on this list: >> >> >> "The a-technic reader works with the old TNAUK zipped '.doc' >> which RNIB does not support anymore. >> The a-technic reader is still currently on the SpeakOn website and I >> shall remove it as it is not relevant to the new service anymore.!" >> >> So RNIB does not suport the newsreader ? >> And Isaac does not feel it's relavant.? >> >> Regards, Derek >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf >> Of Long, Alison >> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 10:44 PM >> To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [ntnm] Re: Emailed papers >> >> Hello Derek >> Speaking to Dolphin this week, following tests they have conducted, it >> is possible to access the email service using Guide, but there is more >> development work required to make it more user-friendly. RNIB and >> Dolphin are committed to this development work. As I mentioned in my >> post regarding the development roadmap, our developers are in contact >> with Isaac regarding the newsreader and it is our next priority. As >> soon as I have an update I will share it with the forum. >> >> We are conscious that switching on the email delivery service is not >> going to provide all customers with the content they have previously >> enjoyed, we will continue to work hard on this . I can only apologise >> again. >> Regards >> Alison >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >> Behalf Of Derek Hornby >> Sent: 23 May 2014 22:08 >> To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [ntnm] Emailed papers >> >> Hello Alison >> You said in news letter: >> >> "Our tests to date have been successful, we just have some final testing >> to do early next week so that we can switch on the full service." >> >> Does this mean those using Guide, will be able to access the emailed >> Papers. Also, will the a-technic newsreader now work ok. >> >> Regards, Derek >> >> >> >> >> To report this e-mail as Spam, please forward it to: >> spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> >> -- >> >> "They told me the bad news. Then I was on my own." 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