[mso] Re: Dian won't be around much either
- From: "Greg Chapman" <greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:18:10 -0600
Yes, I am saying that it's easier because of the follow-up cleaning that
often becomes necessary with FP. It has been much less a chore to make
sure DW code is clean than FP code in the past. Now, Steven is saying
that they've finally conquered issues like FP automagically scarring
your HTML tagging, etc. They also claimed (I haven't verified) to stop
MS scarring valid and portable web formatting with proprietary,
no-portable, IE specific tagging. But, it's my opinion that the real
issue is in cleaning up what either product does after you've produced
your result. That's the real time eater, to me.
Now, to be perfectly blunt, I'm not a fan of Dreamweaver either. I think
it's got some good tools but some major flaws as well. The last time I
used it, I was impressed with its enforcement of relative paths until I
saw a gotcha or two that led to couple hour cleanup headaches.
It's simply amazing to me that such a simple thing as basic HTML coding
can be such a nightmarish time commitment and that using advanced tools
still hasn't improved things. I find myself running back to plain old
test-editors and writing HTML3.0 compliant pages whenever possible.
Since most of what I do is "write to explain", I also have no need for
excessive graphics in my work nor do I need most of the other fancier
stuff. Call me a Luddite.
The idea of CSS is a great one, in my opinion, but it again falls short
since the definition pages turn into a nightmare of their own. Add to
that problem the current fad of using XML for everything (an
implementation that is a direct offshoot of the CSS methodology) and my
enthusiasm for the tools, the technology and the sites falls off to a
level close to that I hold for the overuse of databases.
I don't think these tools are going to be what we settle on the future
(I certainly hope not) but I'd rather mess with DW output than FP output
any day since I'm only called in as a janitor to clean up the results of
these designer tools. Bah!! Humbug!!
It's amazing to me the lessons we have to learn over and over. This
didn't just start in the computer business. Remember the original
Thunderbird? The original Mustang? How many times has each of those
products grown into a land-barge and then back to a fun, sporty thing
again? The market certainly never made a demand for machines like those
tanker sized variants yet they were created anyway. I see these tools as
parallel problems and a need to take it all to simpler scheme again.
Today, were I to go looking again at HTML editors and FP was amongst my
front-runners, I'd still pass it over and move straight to InterDev.
InterDev is more likely to provide me an excellent dev environment and
then produce non-proprietary HTML tagging than FP. Were I told that I
would have to serve my site on a Unix server, neither InterDev or FP
would win due to my lack of trust for FP after 5 years of whining and
InterDev's real focus on producing ASP pages.
Greg Chapman
http://www.mousetrax.com
"Counting in binary is as easy as 01, 10, 11!
With thinking this clear, is coding really a good idea?"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Linda F. Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:57 PM
> To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [mso] Re: Dian won't be around much either
>
>
>
> <<People will spend money on tools they can use with minimal
> training despite a cheaper priced alternative that provides
> too many challenges.>>
>
> Greg...you seriously saying that you think Dreamweaver is
> easier to use than FrontPage?
>
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