In the States there was a style of locomotive, called a Camelback, with an exceptionally wide firebox for burning hard coal. The fireman road behind the boiler, but for visibility the engineer rode in a second cab which straddled toe boiler in front of the firebox. On occasion, motionwork on the engineer side would let go, killing or severely injuring the engineer (aka driver) when it pierced the cab floor. Ultimately this style of locomotive was outlawed because of the increased danger. Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy A" <AndyA@xxxxxxxx> > Hi Roger > I think someone has got some Chinese whispers here, but the facts are > basically correct. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger" <roger.g3tdm@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Tale 1. > It seems that one of the larger restored full-sized locos was > working hard pulling a train up Shap when a 'core plug' "came out". > > Tale 2. > Another restored full-sized loco was starting a train (out of a > station?). It lost its feet and the driver did not shut the regulator > quick enough. The engine over speeded and destroyed the valve gear > (due to excess speed). MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.