Bede, Fergot to mention, but I have used a heavy industrial strength bender similar to the Grizzly machine, but on steroids. We had it at the machine shop at the aluminum mill where I worked for 11 years. It had dies for bending round stock as well as flat or angle iron and was trouble free, but is not what you need as I said in the earlier post. Jesse the Redneck Machinist in Troy, Tennessee USA. where it is cold and dry. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.