Barrie, I don't care how badly I trample on your sensitive toes, that Brit built Frenchie lokie is just plain YOUGLY. If you want to see how pretty a steam locomotive can look, locate a photo of one of the Southern Pacific "Daylight" locomotives. There was real beauty in steam power with the Norfolk and Western J series streamliners coming in second, but for genuine ugliness in American steam power, one must look to the Milwaukee Road's "Hiawatha" lokies or the New Yawk Central's "Commodore Vanderbilt". Now there was some pure unadulterated ugliness from THIS side of the pond. There are a lot of very pretty British locomotives such as the "Flying Scotsman", but to me the general run of the mill UK locomotives just "don't look right". Yeah, I know they run/ran great, but they still look strange for the most part. [;-) Is this enough International agitation for one email and is WWIII about to start between your former colony of America and Jolly Olde England over this important difference of opinion? Would a pint of Guinness's Stout calm you down??? Jesse, the wild eyed redneck machinist in Troy, TN Jesse, At the risk of inflaming nationalistic passions even further - American locos invariably look pretty ugly to my British eyes!! Barrie MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.