[modeleng] Re: 12" scale loco

Guys, I can quite see that the comment was made in good humour, I just
think that the subject for the humour wasn't appropriate. I wouldn't make
that comment to a close French friend of mine, let alone on a discussion
group when there are many people out there that we don't know.

If a French person doesn't find it funny that there country was stormed
and hundreds of thousands of people were killed and they were forced to 
wave a white flag to try then that is entirely their right.

In the same way, I wouldn't expect a Jewish person to find the Holocaust
funny.

Certainly Al, Tel, I wouldn't expect you to find the subject of a few
thousand people killed in the twin towers incident funny; and if someone 
had made a remark on the subject that you found offensive, and you said 
so, you really wouldn't want a chorus of people telling you to lighten up.

Now really - this is a a model engineering discussion group, and that is 
surely mainly where we should stay. We are from all different countries 
and so yes now and again we might tread on each others toes. But if it 
does happen, let's listen and learn from it, rather than trying to make 
excuses.

Yours,


Rich.


On Sun, 11 Nov 2007, Allen Messer wrote:

> Hear!  Hear!!
>
> Al
> --- TEL <tel47@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>
>> OK chillun' - play nice.
>>
>> So far as I can see, all the posts thus far on the
>> topic were made in a
>> lighthearted vein, and humour is something we are a
>> bit tolerant of here.
>>
>> Action Jeff - nothing I can see warranted a banning
>> of anyone, not worth
>> putting the whole list on a moderated footing for.
>>
>> We've had this discussion many times before and we
>> all need to remember that
>> the list in its present form is more rigidly
>> controlled than in any of its
>> former entities - mainly because of restraints
>> placed on us by the provider.
>> Be a sad day when a little humour is cause enough
>> for a hangin' though.
>>
>>
>>> I think we all need to take a breath and calm down
>> here.
>>>
>>> I don't like to see disrespectful remarks about
>> anybody or any
>> nationality.
>>> It's just bad manners.
>>>
>>> However, to unsubsribe because of a few people's
>> bad manners is only
>>> punishing yourself and cutting yourself off from
>> some great steam related
>>> content and some great people here on the list.
>>>
>>> If we listers pay no attention to rude and
>> disrespectful remarks they will
>>> probably stop due to the writer getting no
>> reaction. You have the power of
>>> the delete key - I use it frequently when some
>> particular listers write.
>>> Thankfully most posts are polite and usually
>> interesting.
>>>
>>> I encourage listers to stay and enjoy, delete what
>> you don't want to read
>>> (or posts from particular writers), and listers
>> please stick to steam
>>> topics. I also suggest the moderators should take
>> some action when insults
>>> or remarks addressing nationality are posted.
>>>
>>> Cheers Jeff Dayman Waterloo Ontario Canada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Peter Harris
>> <Peter.Harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Reply-To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: 12" scale loco
>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:18:46 +0100
>>>>
>>>> I sent my remarks directly to the posters
>> concerned, pointing out
>> that=20=
>>>> =20=0A=
>>>> there are places to post xenophobic rubbish on
>> the web, but that
>>>> here=20=20=
>>>> =0A=
>>>> is not one of them. I remain a member of the
>> group because I don't
>> see=20=
>>>> =20=0A=
>>>> why I should lose a very useful source of
>> information because a=20=20=0A=
>>>> minority of posters think that everybody is
>> interested in their
>> views.=20=
>>>> =20=0A=
>>>> Please keep them to yourselves - at least until
>> the Daily Mail
>>>> starts=20=20=
>>>> =0A=
>>>> running editorials on the subjet of cutting
>> keyways.=0A=
>>>> =0A=
>>>> As for the loco in question, the SNCF Society was
>> organising a=20=20=0A=
>>>> subscription to transport the machine by road to
>> my club's site
>>>> in=20=20=0A=
>>>> northern France where it could be restored by a
>> Nord
>>>> orientated-group=20=20=
>>>> =0A=
>>>> with the hope of running again one day. The first
>> we knew was when
>> the=20=
>>>> =20=0A=
>>>> machine appeared for sale. Maybe the SNCF Society
>> has more
>> information=20=
>>>> =20=0A=
>>>> on this change of direction.=0A=
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>>>> Quoting Barrie Purslow <bpduo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:=0A=
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>>>>>> it is not so many=0A=
>>>>>> months ago that we lost several European
>> members of the group through
>>>> a=
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>>>>>> surfeit of anti European comments from
>> certain senior group members,
>>>> so=
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>>>>>> let's not drive the rest of them away
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