Re: [MoAccess] One more question about the editors
- From: "D!J!X!" <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:54:29 -0400
Hey Bryan, how does this thing work with the fc3 and dampering? Is this the
only pedal that will do it? I had a yamaha pedal once (don't know what was
it) but it sucked, had a bad feel/response to it...the fc7 has lasted me
years though...can I use a second pedal and assign it to the assignable jack
and do it that way instead.Now that I'm on the subject can somebody tell me
what kind of things I can do with these extra assignable jacks???
Thanks, D!J!X!
From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Bryan Smart
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 5:26 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] One more question about the editors
Jes, you should get an FC3 pedal. If you have one of those, then the XS will
also simulate half-damper effects for the piano voices.
Not sure what you mean about the XS being an educational tool instead of a
workstation.
With regard to the guitars, there are several voices that use the guitar
samples, but they operate differently. There are several that produce
different tones, depending on how hard you play the keys: from soft playing
that yields muted strings to hard playing that yields slides. However, there
are other guitar voices (the mega voices), that have many layers of extra
effects: such as hammer ons, body noises, fretting sounds, and harmonics.
Those mega voices have so many samples all in one voice that it is difficult
to play them live. So, you use the arpeggiator with the preset guitar arps.
There are hundreds of guitar arp programs: picking, strumming, rhythm
patterns for rock, funk, disco, etc. You set one of those, play chords, and
the XS plays the megavoice guitar voice, while adding in all of the little
subtleties that you'd hear in a real guitar. You can even use the settings
in the arpeggiator to cause the arps to be quantized with a different grid,
make them swing, make them play harder or softer, play in double or half
time, etc.
So, you can play many of the guitar voices directly from the keyboard.
However, particularly for guitar rhythm parts and bass lines, the XS can
play the mega voices for you to make the voices sound much closer to real
instrument sound than just about anything out there.
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jes
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 5:15 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] One more question about the editors
Bryan. Being a natural piano player, it is crucial that the piano produces
different sounds depending on what you do with the instrument such as
pressing and releasing the sustain foot petal. Therefore, I congratulate
Yamaha for doing such an outstanding job on making the piano so realistic.
Since you have so much control over the filters and the sound of the piano,
it is almost impossible to tell a difference between a real piano versus a
piano sample played on the xs. Saying that, I think the xs is somewhat of an
educational tool rather than just a studeo quality work station. Take the
guitar sounds for example. Since in theory you are playing an actual guitar
when you select the guitar samples, you have to be somewhat knowledgeable on
the acoustics of the instrument and what a guitar is supposed to sound like.
I previewed the xs for a friend of mine who plays guitar, and they said that
the guitars were so real that they would not have known I was using a
keyboard if I hadn't told them. Any thoughts?
Jes
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] One more question about the editors
The editors do support copying individual pieces of a voice. For example,
you can copy element 1 to element 2, copy an element in one voice to an
element in another, or copy just the effects from one voice to another.
There are other options, but these are just examples.
Though the XS supports using up to 8 elements in a voice, most voices don't
use all 8 elements. Some voices, like the piano, use all 8 elements, but
only trigger 1 or 2 of them at a time. In the piano, the different elements
only trigger under certain conditions, such as how hard you play the
keyboard (some play softer sample, while others player louder ones), or
special effects like the element that plays when you let go of a key (to
make the key release sound). In most voices, though, only 4 or 5 elements
are used. There are also versions of voices that only use 1 or 2 elements.
A lot of people, when they're scrolling through voices, and hear the ones
that don't seem to have many velocity layers, the ones that use only 1 or 2
elements, wonder why in the world Yamaha would waste their time including
such basic voices on the XS when the voices could use up to 8 elements. The
reason for that is to help you when you're building more complex voices. For
example, there are the mega voice guitars that use all 8 elements. They
sound just about as complex as a guitar could on the XS. However, there are
guitar voices that only use 2 or 3 elements, and just have a few velocity
layers. That means that you can start with that voice as the basis of a
sound that you're designing yourself. Using the 3 element guitar voice as an
example, you still have 5 elements free. You could find one of the smaller 4
element rhodes voices, import that on to elements 4 through 7, and then find
a basic 1 element synth pad, and import that on to element 8. Now, you have
a single voice that plays a guitar, rhodes, and a synth pad. You can use the
sliders in voice mode to balance the levels of the 8 individual elements,
and then, when you get it sounding right, you can save your work as a user
voice. What is so cool is that, on the classic or ES, you would have needed
to be in performance mode to play a huge layer like that. If you wanted to
use a layer that you designed in Performance mode, you'd need to use a
special copy job to copy the performance into the song or pattern, and, even
then, you'd need to give up 4 tracks in the song or pattern. Since you can
do all of that in voice mode on the XS, this means that you can load that
big layer voice up in the sequencer, and it will play just like you saved
it. Further, you only need 1 track.
This is another case where some features that were useful on the ESS get
really useful on the XS. Most of you know that a voice has two effects
processors available. Usually, people will stack them so that the a
processor feads the b processor in what is called serial mode. You can make
them run in a parallel mode, though, so that they run independently of each
other. In the example layer that I was just discussing, you could make the a
processor be reverb, and the b processor be an autopanner. Then, you can set
the voice so that the elements playing the piano and the pad go through the
a processor with reverb, and the elements playing the rhodes go through the
b processor with its autopanner. So, you have one voice, with three sounds,
and two effects running.
You can also make splits in voice mode. You can find a 6 element piano, copy
a 2 element bass program into the voice, and then set the key ranges for the
elements so that you have bass in the left hand and piano in the right. Now,
when you call this voice up in the sequencer, you can play your split on a
single track.
On the XS, voice mode can do most of the things that used to be handled in
performance mode. Performance mode is now more about having real time
control over playing grooves than it is about making splits and layers.
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Damon Fibraio
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:46 AM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] One more question about the editors
IN theory this can be done. If the editors support copying elements from
voices, which most do. Heck, you can even just start with a totally blank
sound and build it from the ground up.
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Robert Lütteke
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:57 AM
To: Motif Access
Subject: [MoAccess] One more question about the editors
hi.
This question can be answered of an es-editur-user.
Sorry, but I didn't worked with voice-editors before.
So I have so many questions.
With the editors, I can edit my voices etc.
buit can I also create compleetly new voices?
I mean:
Can I take elements from different sounds and combine them to a new sound?
regards Robert.
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