Re: [MoAccess] One more question about the editors
- From: "Bryan Smart" <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:26:00 -0400
Jes, you should get an FC3 pedal. If you have one of those, then the XS will
also simulate half-damper effects for the piano voices.
Not sure what you mean about the XS being an educational tool instead of a
workstation.
With regard to the guitars, there are several voices that use the guitar
samples, but they operate differently. There are several that produce different
tones, depending on how hard you play the keys: from soft playing that yields
muted strings to hard playing that yields slides. However, there are other
guitar voices (the mega voices), that have many layers of extra effects: such
as hammer ons, body noises, fretting sounds, and harmonics. Those mega voices
have so many samples all in one voice that it is difficult to play them live.
So, you use the arpeggiator with the preset guitar arps. There are hundreds of
guitar arp programs: picking, strumming, rhythm patterns for rock, funk, disco,
etc. You set one of those, play chords, and the XS plays the megavoice guitar
voice, while adding in all of the little subtleties that you'd hear in a real
guitar. You can even use the settings in the arpeggiator to cause the arps to
be quantized with a different grid, make them swing, make them play harder or
softer, play in double or half time, etc.
So, you can play many of the guitar voices directly from the keyboard. However,
particularly for guitar rhythm parts and bass lines, the XS can play the mega
voices for you to make the voices sound much closer to real instrument sound
than just about anything out there.
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jes
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 5:15 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] One more question about the editors
Bryan. Being a natural piano player, it is crucial that the piano produces
different sounds depending on what you do with the instrument such as pressing
and releasing the sustain foot petal. Therefore, I congratulate Yamaha for
doing such an outstanding job on making the piano so realistic. Since you have
so much control over the filters and the sound of the piano, it is almost
impossible to tell a difference between a real piano versus a piano sample
played on the xs. Saying that, I think the xs is somewhat of an educational
tool rather than just a studeo quality work station. Take the guitar sounds for
example. Since in theory you are playing an actual guitar when you select the
guitar samples, you have to be somewhat knowledgeable on the acoustics of the
instrument and what a guitar is supposed to sound like. I previewed the xs for
a friend of mine who plays guitar, and they said that the guitars were so real
that they would not have known I was using a keyboard if I hadn't told them.
Any thoughts?
Jes
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] One more question about the editors
The editors do support copying individual pieces of a voice. For
example, you can copy element 1 to element 2, copy an element in one voice to
an element in another, or copy just the effects from one voice to another.
There are other options, but these are just examples.
Though the XS supports using up to 8 elements in a voice, most voices
don't use all 8 elements. Some voices, like the piano, use all 8 elements, but
only trigger 1 or 2 of them at a time. In the piano, the different elements
only trigger under certain conditions, such as how hard you play the keyboard
(some play softer sample, while others player louder ones), or special effects
like the element that plays when you let go of a key (to make the key release
sound). In most voices, though, only 4 or 5 elements are used. There are also
versions of voices that only use 1 or 2 elements.
A lot of people, when they're scrolling through voices, and hear the
ones that don't seem to have many velocity layers, the ones that use only 1 or
2 elements, wonder why in the world Yamaha would waste their time including
such basic voices on the XS when the voices could use up to 8 elements. The
reason for that is to help you when you're building more complex voices. For
example, there are the mega voice guitars that use all 8 elements. They sound
just about as complex as a guitar could on the XS. However, there are guitar
voices that only use 2 or 3 elements, and just have a few velocity layers. That
means that you can start with that voice as the basis of a sound that you're
designing yourself. Using the 3 element guitar voice as an example, you still
have 5 elements free. You could find one of the smaller 4 element rhodes
voices, import that on to elements 4 through 7, and then find a basic 1 element
synth pad, and import that on to element 8. Now, you have a single voice that
plays a guitar, rhodes, and a synth pad. You can use the sliders in voice mode
to balance the levels of the 8 individual elements, and then, when you get it
sounding right, you can save your work as a user voice. What is so cool is
that, on the classic or ES, you would have needed to be in performance mode to
play a huge layer like that. If you wanted to use a layer that you designed in
Performance mode, you'd need to use a special copy job to copy the performance
into the song or pattern, and, even then, you'd need to give up 4 tracks in the
song or pattern. Since you can do all of that in voice mode on the XS, this
means that you can load that big layer voice up in the sequencer, and it will
play just like you saved it. Further, you only need 1 track.
This is another case where some features that were useful on the ESS
get really useful on the XS. Most of you know that a voice has two effects
processors available. Usually, people will stack them so that the a processor
feads the b processor in what is called serial mode. You can make them run in a
parallel mode, though, so that they run independently of each other. In the
example layer that I was just discussing, you could make the a processor be
reverb, and the b processor be an autopanner. Then, you can set the voice so
that the elements playing the piano and the pad go through the a processor with
reverb, and the elements playing the rhodes go through the b processor with its
autopanner. So, you have one voice, with three sounds, and two effects running.
You can also make splits in voice mode. You can find a 6 element piano,
copy a 2 element bass program into the voice, and then set the key ranges for
the elements so that you have bass in the left hand and piano in the right.
Now, when you call this voice up in the sequencer, you can play your split on a
single track.
On the XS, voice mode can do most of the things that used to be handled
in performance mode. Performance mode is now more about having real time
control over playing grooves than it is about making splits and layers.
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Damon Fibraio
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:46 AM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] One more question about the editors
IN theory this can be done. If the editors support copying elements
from voices, which most do. Heck, you can even just start with a totally blank
sound and build it from the ground up.
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Lütteke
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:57 AM
To: Motif Access
Subject: [MoAccess] One more question about the editors
hi.
This question can be answered of an es-editur-user.
Sorry, but I didn't worked with voice-editors before.
So I have so many questions.
With the editors, I can edit my voices etc.
buit can I also create compleetly new voices?
I mean:
Can I take elements from different sounds and combine them to a new
sound?
regards Robert.
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