Re: [MoAccess] Changing time signatures in sequencer
- From: <driza97@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:07:30 -0600
ah yeah! that is tight though on the x s that can choose the song location in
song mode first and then do your pattern chain and it will remember the slot
you chose in song mode for the pattern to go to!! It's definitely not like that
on the es!! lol! too tight!!
What Da Hzzy!
Driza aka Drizabizeats
----- Original Message -----
From: driza97@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Changing time signatures in sequencer
nah!! lol! That's still the same way how I do it on the ES, accept I just
record the different sections in the pattern chain and then once I covert it
to song mode then I'll do my mute/drops!! I don't bother recording mutes in
the pattern chain any more on the es, plus if you do decide to record mutes in
pattern chain, when you save that mug and load it back up, those recorded
pattern chain mutes will still be there and if you forget which tracks you
muted stuff on, man!!!!, that can be brutal!! Actually I would have preferred
it if it didn't save the pattern chain mutes like that, so that way, if you
want to start fresh when recording the mutes in the pattern chain, you can!!
So once again, the easier way is just record the section changes and then do
the mutes in song mode!! lol! yep!!
What Da Hzzy!
Driza aka Drizabizeats
----- Original Message -----
From: Emccullough1
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Changing time signatures in sequencer
Actually Bryan I still do it the way you described it in the previous
message. That sounds wonderful though. Perhaps one day, I'll get to experience
that on the Motif XS. Perhaps Driza has found a new way to do things on the ES.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Changing time signatures in sequencer
That's interesting. You're right that, in general, the Motif will capture
most changes that you make while you're in record. So, if you're recording, and
you turn a knob to tweak the sound of a voice, change the attack/release of a
sound with the knobs, move a volume fader, change the tempo, etc, those all get
recorded. In a lot of ways, that is a much easier way of doing automation than
people have to deal with in DAW apps like Sonar.
The drawback here is when you need to set an exact value at an exact
time. For example, if my drum track is mostly dry, but, in the last snare hit
before the downbeat of a new song section, I want to wash the snare with
reverb, then I'd just move to the top of the last bar, go into overdub record,
turn the reverb knob up before the snare, turn it back down after the snare,
and press stop. Sure, I've put lots of knob automation all over that track, but
who cares. I got what I wanted. When it comes to things like tempo and meter,
though, you might want to jump directly from one value to another. So, in that
case, just turning a knob is going to create a gradual change. At least, that
is how it has worked with most of what I've tried so far.
So, just so that I understand you correctly, you jump forward into the
song where you want the meter to change, start recording, and then arrow up to
and change the meter during the count-in? If you were fast enough to make that
change during the count-in, then maybe, when recording started, only the most
recent meter change would be recorded to the tempo track.
Or, are you saying that you move to the bar where you want the meter
change, go into Record Setup, change the meter setting, and then press play?
Those Yamaha people are really the smart ones. I'm always so happily
surprised when I expect to have to do things in a highly technical way (like
I've come to expect from a computer), and they've already made the Motif figure
it out for me. Here is an example. On the Motif, when you wanted to make a
pattern into a song, you have to record a pattern chain, and then you have to
dump that chain into a song. On the ES, recording a chain involved recording a
pattern track that contained info about when to switch between the different
pattern sections, and a scene track, where you could record your mute/solo of
tracks. This made the pattern chain mode almost a mini sequencer in its own
right, complete with overdub and replace recording, multiple tracks, an editor
that had to be learned, etc. On the XS, you just go into Pattern Chain mode,
hit record, and play the pattern with the buttons, just like you would from
pattern play mode. You can switch sections, perform your solos/mutes, and it
will all be recorded. Since it is all recorded at once, there is no need for
separate chain tracks, and, while there is an editor for the chain, it is
usually easier for me to just hit record and perform the pattern again. On the
ES, I didn't bother to create a pattern chain unless I was serious about
turning the pattern into a song so that I could record overdubs. However, on
the XS, when I'm writing patterns, I almost always record a rough chain with a
demo song structure laid out (intro, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, etc --
something like that), so that I can hear the patterns in context and bounce my
song ideas off of people.
Another way that they've really made all of this easier is when you get
ready to render the chain to a song. When you go into the render screen on the
ES, you need to pick the song number where the chain will be dumped. You can't
numerically enter a number there, so you must count with the inc/dec buttons or
clicks of the data dial in order to reach the correct song slot (Adrian?
Ernist? Have you all learned differently since I had an ES). There were several
times on the ES when I'd make a mistake by missing a click when counting, and
I'd over write the wrong song. Of course, there was no un-do, so that lead to
bad situations. On the XS, you don't need to enter a number or count clicks. If
you go to song mode, and dial up to song 12, then, when you go back into
Pattern Chain mode and select to render the chain to a song, the XS is smart
enough to start you out on the last song that you were using in song mode,
which, in this case would be song 12. So, I use song mode to select the slot
(where I can actually hear if anything is stored in that song slot), and can
then switch back to pattern chain and start the render operation. it is really
smart of them.
There is stuff like this everywhere. If you're in Performance mode, and
you record to a song, then press the song button, you're immediately placed
into the song that you just recorded. Working the other way around, if you
select an empty song or pattern, switch to performance mode, and hit record,
you'll be recording into the last song or pattern that you were using. Of
course, you always get a settings screen where you can manually set the number,
but these new ways are much more useful to someone that is working based on
what they hear rather than what they see.
What a great instrument!
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jes
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:17 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Changing time signatures in sequencer
Actually Bryan, you don't need to do anything with the event editor. I
found out through trial and error that if you just go to the measure where you
want to change the time signature and you just change the whole meter, the
meter will change on the start of that measure. For example, say you had a time
signature of 4/4 at the start of your sequence, but after 8 measures you wanted
to switch to 3/4, then 8 measures later you wanted to go back to 4/4. When you
want to change the time signature from 4/4 to 3/4 at the 8th measure, just go
to measure 8 and change the meter by pressing the record button then scrolling
up and changing the meter that way. When you want to change it back to 4/4,
just do the same thing. I've found that method to work, unless I'm missing
something. Thoughts?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Changing time signatures in sequencer
To change the time signature in the middle of a song, you need to
insert a meter change into the event list. From song mode, press edit. In here,
there is an insert function. When you pick it a screen will come up asking the
type of event.
You'll need sighted help for this. I haven't had anyone go through the
event editor with me in any detail other than how to use the main event edit
screen to change notes, velocities, and durations.
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jes
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:35 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Changing time signatures in sequencer
Bryan, I am using the MoTif xs. I should have made that clear in my
last message.
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From: Bryan Smart
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Changing time signatures in sequencer
The short answer is yes. You can change the time signature in the
middle of a song.
Which Motif are you using?
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jes
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:01 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [MoAccess] Changing time signatures in sequencer
Hi all. I know how to change the meter from 4/4 to 3/4 in the song
mode, but how do you change the number of beats in a measure, like from 4/4 to
6/8? Also, is it possible to change the time signature throughout a sequence,
like going from 4/4 to 3/4, then returning to 4/4? I would hope that the Motif
can handle complex rhythm changes like 6/8, 5/4, 9/12, etc. Thanks
Jes
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