The notion of "interaction" or "forms mode" on some of the Windows screen readers has always been controversial. I really like interaction as, especially when various portions of an application's UI are labeled in a manner that follows the Apple guidelines, one can find all of the major groups in the application with a good sense of adjacency, which, in turn, provides a good sense of context - one of the hardest UI problems that those of us who make a living at such have been battling for years.
Interaction permits a user to find a general area and then drill down which makes navigation about a window much more quickly and, once again if the developers followed the guidelines, user productivity will jump.
On Macintosh and iPhone, Apple has done a great job of providing context (there's still a whole lot more work to come) and I hardly see any of the Windows or orca guys really even trying (JAWS a excellent job in some applications and on sites like google docs but they hand coded for a lot of what one gets and, as a result, newer releases of JAWS will break some old functionality while providing new coolness elsewhere).
cdh On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Steve Hurd wrote:
I agree, I am new to Voice over, and the main distinction is the interact commands. Although the NFB review spoke about this in a negative light I see it as a real posative as you get a clear choice as to what info you listen to. The vo voice quality far surpases eliquence or window eyes in its speach synthisis and I can really listen to VO without the raspie robotic synthasis of eliquence. Yes jaws advocates would say, but you can buy other synthosisers for windows, but buy is the operative word, you don't have to pay more for anything with vo. As David said there are certain aspects of any os ie the nature of the commands they have, ie open file, close file, cut, copy and past, so if you have experience with computers it isn't hard at all. I bought my mac book a month ago, and list members have been very helpfull to me, but I was e/mailing, opening folders and soon, within a few hours of opening the box that had my mac book in it. I intend to swap all my windows puters for Mac's in time.Regards, Steve On 31/07/2009, at 10:02 AM, ashley wrote:Yep, I totally agree with you. Personally, I used jaws before I got a Mac. And while I still use windows for most of my daily tasks, I find I'm starting to use the Mac more and it's much more enjoyable and simple.None of this on the Mac:"Microsoft windows dialog. Windows suffered a arer and needs to close. Harddrive formatting has been scheduled for next reboot. Send arer report button."*smile* ash----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcy Weinberg" <rhymingmom1@xxxxxxxxx >To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:37 PM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: searching for text on a web pageHi, Chris, Donna, and everyone, I was one of those in the small minority who came to the mac fromwindow-eyes. I have been able to divorce myself completely from that connection of how I did something with window-eyes so ho do I do it onthe mac and with vo. But everyone is different, and some actually will learn better the new system while at first referring to the old in their minds. So, we need to be tolerant of everyone's learning style. Because, in the end, it doesn't matter how you get there, aslong as you arrive. And the more help you can get along the way, theluckier you are, that's for sure. And I've been very fortunate in that! Just remember, be patient and tolerant of others, and most ofall, be helpful and informative! Thanks from a fairly newbie! MarcyOn Jul 31, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi,Over the past decade or so I have been on a number of different listswith Donna. She, like most of us did at some point (excepting ofcourse David and Lioncourt who have Macintosh accessibility in their DNA <laugh>) will ask some newbie questions. Coming over from JAWS orsome other Windows SR or orca and GNU/Linux systems the questions will certainly contain a bias as our expectations will be preset by the learning we have already done in the past. Donna, on the other lists from where I've known her, has alwaysprovided a lot of help to newbies once she has learned how to approacha task. It is my not at all humble opinion that Donna is a terrific asset to any online community that is interested in technology and people with vision impairment.I think it would be a valuable exercise but also one that will take alot of time and effort to create a document with a name like, "VoiceOver Eye for the JAWS Guy" or something similar that provides basic tutorial information about VO but also provides a "this is howyou did it with JAWS but this is a Macintosh with VoiceOver and we dothings this way..."Maybe someone could even write a little program that just presents atable with JAWS Way, VO Way as columns for major functions and a detail button for functions with no direct analogues on the other platform.Obviously, someone could add Window-Eyes, HAL, System Access and orca but with a worldwide market-share of over 90%, JAWS is the most likelyscreen reader one would be leaving to start using a Macintosh.Everything from how VO speaks the character at the insertion point totable navigation is very different from the Windows and GNU platforms. A little understanding and patience and we'll make a new friend and add a terrific mind to our community. Peace, cdh . On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:35 AM, brandon armstrong wrote:donna I'm sorry but i am getting real tired of your pointless questions on this list. you are coming to the point where i don't want to be here anymore and i am on the virg of unsubscribing period. Please stop asking questions that relate to windows on the mac. thanks. Brandon On Jul 30, 2009, at 8:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:Hi all, Recently, when searching for text on a webpage using command-F, Isaw a button that said 2 results found, but I seemed to have no wayto actually see the results. How do you view results when searching on a webpage? 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