On 2004/08/03, at 9:19, Andy Amago wrote [in response to Eric Yost]: > > > Stan maintains that if Bush had not been in office, Bin Laden would > have been > captured. As if a change of presidents could alter tactical and > strategic > factors that work to Bin Laden's benefit. Taken as a statement of > convictions, > Stan's hyperbole is hunky-dory. Taken as a tactical prediction . . . > well . . . > it's a fine statement of convictions. > > > > A.A. Eric, are you that much of a fatalist? Is Bin Laden that much in > control that if another president had pursued him instead of Iraq, > with the world's support, nothing would be different? > > It could be, of course, that this whole argument is misconceived, since the mere presence or absence of one or another president is supposed to have some magical effect. Here is another perspective: My daughter, who was serving on the USS Carl Vinson in the Arabian Sea during the war in Afghanistan was outraged by the decision to turn the hunt for Bin Laden over to Afghani militias, a decision made, she says, to minimize US casualties. Not only was this tactically stupid, since many of the Afghanis may have been Bin Laden sympathizers, it said, in effect, we are willing to risk your blood, not ours, a position that she found morally reprehensible. There is, perhaps, an argument to be made that this decision was a reflection of the administration's desire to make war on the cheap and avoid the political blow back of large numbers of American body bags. But the task of untangling the historical record still lies before us. Cheers, John John L. McCreery International Vice Chair, Democrats Abroad Tel 81-45-314-9324 Email mccreery@xxxxxxx >>Life isn't fair. Democracy should be. << To learn more about Democrats Abroad, see these websites In Japan: http://www.demsjapan.jp Worldwide: http://www.democratsabroad.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html