[lit-ideas] Re: comments the DEMs must defend
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:05:17 -0800
Once again, when I check out a Leftist's allegation that lies under-girded
the Bush decision to invade Iraq, it turns out to be . . . a lie. Witness
the following:
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,251358,00.html and
http://www.nysun.com/article/48429
Do Leftists just like to lie? Is that behind their preoccupation with
lying? Consider the reference below to 600,000 Iraqi dead: A few months
ago a Leftist was bandying about the number 300,000 Iraqi dead and I checked
the websites keeping track of such matters and they concluded 30,000 Iraqi's
had thus far died in the Iraq war. Why now does Andreas up the number to
600,000? Is lying for a good (i.e. Leftist) cause okay?
Lawrence
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On Behalf Of Andreas Ramos
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:11 AM
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: comments the DEMs must defend
Eric hasn't been following the adventures of Douglas Feith, who headed the
Dept of Policy
under Rumsfeld at the Pentagon. Policy? It was the agitprop office. The
Ministry of Truth.
The Pentagon reported last week that Feith produced the fake evidence that
Bush used for
this war.
Eric, the war was based on lies. 600,000 people are dead. And you think that
if just a bit
of WMDs had been found, it would all be okay.
600,000 Iraqi will still be dead because of lies.
4,000 Americans will still be dead because of lies.
The US economy will still be wrecked because of lies.
That's the level the war supporters have sunken to. Defending lies. "We
know it was a lie,
but it could have turned out okay!"
yrs,
andreas
www.andreas.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:08 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: comments the DEMs must defend
>> Think how different things would be if we had found WMDs there! The same
mismanaged war,
>> the same questionable errand, the same counterpropaganda, many of the
same casualties --
>> but the reason, believed even by generals on Saddam's staff, would have
been justified.
>
>
> What surprises me most about this war is that we learned nothing from
Vietnam. I still
> wonder did those best and brightest guys really believe in the domino
theory? Or was that
> just some sop thrown to the public? Certainly, we now know that Johnson
lied about the
> Gulf of Tonkin incident, setting the stage for the Gulf of Tonkin
Resolution that almost
> all the congressmen voted for. At the time it was happening, it all
seemed to me a
> charade. But what did I know? A "B-" student in a sump pump college in
the most backward
> part of the US? I remember fierce arguments at work with men 20 and 30 my
senior who had
> experienced either WWII or Korea. "Well what would you do? Just pick up
and leave?"
> "Yes," I'd scream, "yes!" Oh, lord, you'd have thought I'd made fun of
Mohammed. Their
> anger and contempt for me was palpable. But, of course, in the end that's
exactly what we
> did. Estimates of Vietnamese deaths (both North and South) are 5 million
(4 million of
> whom were civilians). That war was so horrendous. And what made it even
more horrid was
> that President Johnson didn't even believe in it. He didn't believe it
could be won. But
> he kept feeding boys into the machine, kept feeding the Vietnamese into
the machine. He
> could have been the greatest President this country has ever had if he'd
only had the
> courage to stop that slaughter. But once you let loose the dogs of war
it's almost
> impossible to call them back. What were these Bushies thinking? I think
they were
> thinking that they were the best and the brightest. The fact is Eric,
there was no GOOD,
> VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that Saddam had WMDs. NONE. There was only suspicion.
How many
> Amadou Diallos must be killed before you decide that maybe mere suspicion
just won't cut
> it? 5 million? 50 thousand American soldiers? It's wrong. It must be
ended. See you at
> the Pentagon on March 17th.
>
> Mike Geary
> Memphis
>
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