JK: The upshot is if you, for example, believe in God, you can be technically diagnosed as having >a mental disorder. >CK: (How does a psychiatrist treat compulsive praying? My guess is that >this is one of the >most prevalent disorders in the world, only few would admit to it.) "One man's ceiling is another man's floor" Paul Simon (mid '70s) >JK: I found it highly troubling what was required for "normalcy". What is NORMALCY? Local? Citywide? Statewide? Countrywide? Continentwide? Worldwide? Does anyone actually put any stock in these silly things? Robert Pirsig poses a question in his Lila something to this effect: "if you were the only person on earth, could you possibly be rightly called "insane"?" Who are we comparing things to? He also proposes the radical idea that one 'cure' for this insanity might be to relocate the 'afflicted' to a society that was more conducive to their 'normalcy'. We all have our 'craziness' and I think that Harold Hungerford is absolutely right when he says "the bar for "mental illness" is a lot lower in the US than it is in much of the rest of the world." It's a bit like the 'shocking' statistics that battered wives shelters etc. trowel out "50% of women have faced some kind of violence by the time they are 18". I counter it with "oh yeah, by your definitions, 100% of men have faced some kind of violent attack by the time they are 18." Does this mean that men are facing crises? Do we need shelters? These "numbers" are meaningless, deliberately shocking, meant for fear-inducement and not at all helpful. "80% of people will get cancer some time in their lifetime". Yeah, and MOST of them will be over 70 years old. MEANINGFUCKINGLESS!!! It all depends on how you define 'mental illness'. It all depends on what 'violence' is. It all depends... I would urge everyone to take a look at a very little book called "how to lie with statistics" by Darrell Huff (1954). It'll make you think several times before you swallow that salesman's pitch, that frontpage story or the latest 'statistic' politicians throw at you. paul Paul Stone ++++++++++++++ Vice-President Esco Engineering 179 Lansdowne Ave Kingsville, ON, Canada N9Y 3J2 Voice: 519 733 3122 Fax: 519 733 6094 Homepage: www.esco-engineering.ca +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html