[lit-ideas] Re: Who's Crazy? We Are
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:24:15 -0400
Pharma makes it profitable for doctors to give out drugs. They actually
keep track of how many prescriptions doctors write and adjust their
marketing of the doctors accordingly. It's high pressure sales with lots
of expensive freebies thrown in. It's why the drugs have to be so
expensive, since vacations, uh, seminars, are not cheap.
Andy Amago
> [Original Message]
> From: <JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 6/8/2005 1:08:14 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Who's Crazy? We Are
>
>
> <<Does anyone actually put any stock in these silly things?>>
>
>
>
> The problem (or one problem) is that GP's dispense mood-altering meds at
the
> drop of a hat based on answers to such flimsy questions. Psychologists
> administer a "test", call a psychiatrist in for a 5 minute consult and
presto
> chango the patient is on anti-psychotics. There's a gross abuse of
psychiatric
> meds, in my opinion. I went into my GP for some other issue -- a sinus
> infection, I think -- and when she asked me about how things were going
I
> mentioned my Mother's cancer which was fresh on my mind as I had just had
bad news
> from her on the phone. I teared up. The GP instantly went for samples
of some
> anti-depressant or other and handed them to me. I'm sorry. I had
REASON to
> be depressed for at least a minute. I did not need, nor did I ever
take,
> the anti-depressants! And she (the GP in question) didn't even
administer the
> slightest battery of tests. Of course the samples were to be followed
up by
> an expensive filled script. I don't blame this all on the pharms. I
blame
> a good deal of it on a very narrow and bizarre notion of what mentally
> healthy looks like in America. Of course, since a requirement for
subscription to
> this list is moderate insanity......
>
> Julie Krueger
>
> ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Who's Crazy? We
Are
> Date: 6/8/05 11:06:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time From: _pas@xxxxxxxxx
> (mailto:pas@xxxxxxxx) To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> JK: The upshot is if you, for example, believe in God, you can
> be technically diagnosed as having
> >a mental disorder.
> >CK: (How does a psychiatrist treat compulsive praying? My guess is
that
> >this is one of the
> >most prevalent disorders in the world, only few would admit to it.)
>
> "One man's ceiling is another man's floor" Paul Simon (mid '70s)
>
> >JK: I found it highly troubling what was required for "normalcy".
>
> What is NORMALCY? Local? Citywide? Statewide? Countrywide?
Continentwide?
> Worldwide?
>
> Does anyone actually put any stock in these silly things?
>
> Robert Pirsig poses a question in his Lila something to this effect: "if
> you were the only person on earth, could you possibly be rightly called
> "insane"?" Who are we comparing things to? He also proposes the radical
> idea that one 'cure' for this insanity might be to relocate the
'afflicted'
> to a society that was more conducive to their 'normalcy'.
>
> We all have our 'craziness' and I think that Harold Hungerford is
> absolutely right when he says "the bar for "mental illness" is a lot
lower
> in the US than it is in much of the rest of the world."
>
> It's a bit like the 'shocking' statistics that battered wives shelters
etc.
> trowel out "50% of women have faced some kind of violence by the time
they
> are 18". I counter it with "oh yeah, by your definitions, 100% of men
have
> faced some kind of violent attack by the time they are 18." Does this
mean
> that men are facing crises? Do we need shelters? These "numbers" are
> meaningless, deliberately shocking, meant for fear-inducement and not at
> all helpful.
>
> "80% of people will get cancer some time in their lifetime". Yeah, and
MOST
> of them will be over 70 years old. MEANINGFUCKINGLESS!!!
>
> It all depends on how you define 'mental illness'. It all depends on
what
> 'violence' is. It all depends...
>
> I would urge everyone to take a look at a very little book called "how
to
> lie with statistics" by Darrell Huff (1954). It'll make you think
several
> times before you swallow that salesman's pitch, that frontpage story or
the
> latest 'statistic' politicians throw at you.
>
> paul
>
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