[lit-ideas] Re: Movie
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:02:36 -0400
The 't' in nyet is distinctly hard. The 't' in mat' (mother) is distinctly
soft. So soft, in fact, that it's followed by a soft sign, transliterated
with an apostrophe: mat'. Ubit' is followed by a soft sign, because it's
an infinitive. It's therefore a soft 't'.
> [Original Message]
> From: <wokshevs@xxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 8/29/2006 2:51:45 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Movie
>
> Gospodsi bozhimoy, pomiluy nas! There's obviously only one Russian ear on
this
> List. (Yes, I'm deaf in one ear.) None of the offered hypotheses on
phonetics
> or transliteration are correct. There is no soft "t" in Russian, there is
only
> one "t," as in "Tanya" or "Toronto." The purportedly soft "t" is a
completely
> different letter. And that is the letter in the Russian infinitive "to
kill."
> (And we won't even mention the Russian soft "r" as in "tsarina.")
>
> Valodsya Akshevsky
> Zhivago Chair of Translation and Interpretation Sciences
> University of Lower Odessa, Rossia
>
> Quoting Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> > > For Paul, tsar is closer to the pronunciation. It's ts like the ts
in tsk
> > > tsk, with a soft rolled r at the end.
> >
> >
> > Interesting. I've always wondered how to pronounce "tsk tsk." You
seem to
> > say it's /ts, ts/. Almost all the dictionaries I've consulted say the
> > pronunciation is /tisk tisk/. I've never ever heard anyone say "tisk
tisk"
> > in disapproval or in any other circumstance. Nor have I ever heard /ts
ts/.
> >
> > I have often heard people make a sound of disapproval by quickly
withdrawing
> >
> > their tongue from their upper gum ridge which produces a sucking
liquidy
> > sound -- almost a /th/ sound in reverse. Are there people who really
say
> > "tisk tisk"? Or is that just the orthographic convention for the
reverse
> > th?
> >
> > Mike Geary
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "lit-ideas" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 3:50 PM
> > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Movie
> >
> >
> > >I heard him interviewed. He's basically says nothing with power point
> > > razzle dazzle. Better than bad news all the time I guess.
> > >
> > > As far as self mastery, I never said self mastery. That's
antithetical to
> > > everything I believe in. I believe in expressing emotions but doing
it
> > > such that no one gets hurt (certainly not to include war or
variations on
> > > war) and far from the madding crowd. The point is training the
emotions
> > > through appropriate expression, not mastery. Self mastery sounds to
me
> > > like turning one's self into a pressure cooker. Good luck.
> > >
> > > For Julie, yeah, we do live in a three dimensional world but we have
two
> > > dimensional brains. The tension between those states results in war,
> > > persecution, etc.
> > >
> > Russia never had a king, only tsars.
> > > Tsar (alternatively czar, csar, tzar) is derivative of Caesar.
> > >
> > > Eric, check this out. Everything's hunky dory in Iraq, except the
Shiite
> > > militias are fighting the Iraqi troops, otherwise known as the
government.
> > > Think that sounds like civil war? Nah, I didn't think so.
> > >
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5293278.stm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> [Original Message]
> > >> From: Eric Yost <eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> Date: 8/28/2006 1:38:50 PM
> > >> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Movie
> > >>
> > >> Irene: We replay on this list what happened; reality is
> > >> reported to you, you get mad not at the reality or the
> > >> perpetrator of the reality, but at the messenger.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Obviously I don't believe you are reporting reality, but a
> > >> sort of alarmist fiction that admits no correction. You may
> > >> think I am also fabulating just as stubbornly. However, you
> > >> seem to linger on past policy mistakes, rather than look
> > >> forward to new developments, in support of your view that
> > >> the sky is falling.
> > >>
> > >> Try reading _The Pentagon's New Map_ by Thomas P.M. Barnett,
> > >> for a less alarmist take on events. He's pro-globalism and
> > >> uses an information paradigm, probably has other limitations
> > >> I'm not aware of, but his is a refreshing perspective. You
> > >> can buy his book here:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0399151753/104-6947401-6419119?v=glance&n=2
> > > 83155
> > >>
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