[lit-ideas] Re: Is Hizbollah a Resistance Organization or not?
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- Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:46:14 EDT
I suspect Judy is using the King James an Lawrence either the RSV or NIV?
Julie Krueger
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This is the passage as I was taught it:
"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity,
I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the
gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though
I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I
am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I
give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
"Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth
not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not
her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity,
but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth
all things, endureth all things.
"Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail;
whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it
shall
vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that
which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When
I
was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a
child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see
through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then
shall
I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these
three; but the greatest of these is charity." (1 Corinthians 13:1-13 KJV)
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From: _Lawrence Helm_ (mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:43 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Is Hizbollah a Resistance Organization or not?
âLove is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is
not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered,
it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices
with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always
perseveres.â
With this as my standard, being Presbyterian, how can I be expected to have
a record of the Leftists on Lit-ideas? I keep hoping that the Leftist
language and arguments will be changed, and a new conservative reasonableness
will
prevail. This is naÃve, my conservative atheist friends assure me. People
donât change. But is that true? The Neo-conservatives were, most of the
early ones, Trotskyites. Christopher Hitchens was a Trotskyite. David
Horowitz
was once a Leftist, and I was as well. We would all agree, of this I have no
doubt, that the patois is unmistakable.
Is it infallible? Perhaps not, but if one hears it day after day from the
same person, the likelihood that a person is not a Leftist seems more and more
remote. For example, I usually put Irene in the Leftist camp, but she
often says things which are un-leftist. I think of Dispensationalists when I
think of her. I have argued with a number of them. âAh, I say after
listening
to them argue, I see you are a Dispensationalist.â âA what,â they
invariably ask?
âA Dispensationalist. You are using arguments that originated in the
Christian viewpoint called Dispensationalism. Its founder was John Darby who
founded the Plymouth Brethren, who came over here, influenced Scofield to
write his
reference Bible and Chafer to write his Systematic Theology. Dallas
Theological Seminary cranks out Dispensational preachers every year.â
âThatâs got nothing to do with me,â he or she will reply. I never heard
of
Darby. Yeah my pastor graduated from Dallas, but that donât mean nothing.
I just believe in the pure word of the Bible and not no sect called
Dispensationalism.â
Since I have had that argument scores of times with similar people who donât
know the sources of their beliefs, I rapidly bow out as gracefully as
possible and as quickly as possible try to change the subject. Some
Dispensationalists I have gotten to know more thoroughly, and when they hear
from me more
of the details about what Dispensationalism consists of they invariably pick
something out and say, âhey wait. I donât believe that.â And indeed
there
is something they disagree with. They donât subscribe to the entire
Dispensationalist package, but does that mean they are not Dispensationalist?
I
tend to think of them as inconsistent Dispensationalists and Irene as an
inconsistent Leftist. But as to someone who doesnât write much, it is
harder to
tell -- not that Iâm trying hard to tell -- I may notice that they insult
Eric
and praise Omar. That may mean that they agree with Omar but not Eric;
however they write so little, how can one be sure -- even if I wanted to be;
which
I donât.
There is no need to attempt to trace the history of Leftism at the present
time as far as I can see. But it has been observed by several writers that
modern American Leftists are siding with Militant Islam against Israel and
against America. There is a whole series of arguments that have been advanced
by
the Leftist/Islamists, for example 1) America had 9/11 coming. They
deserved it. It is good that they now know how it feels. 2) American
policies
caused Militant Islam to react. America caused Terrorism. 3) America has no
interest in the welfare of Arabs. There only interest is oil. 4) American
government does what big business tells it to. 5) America does what Israel
tells
it to. 6) Israel does what America tells it to [note: consistency is not
necessary to Leftism/Islamism]. 7) Saddam Hussein was a creature of the CIA
8) Osama bin Laden was a creature of the CIA. The list is much longer but
these come to mind at the moment.
Why is Leftism siding with Islamism? That is an interesting question and I
have heard several theories about it. My own favorite is that the Leftists
learned to hate America during the Cold war when they supported Soviet Russia
and the Communists. This wasnât a crude sort of support. It was more
intellectual, and they typically distanced themselves from Stalinism but they
supported the Communist Party Line fairly consistently. And here again, one
who
has been Leftist can recognize the patois.
It has been said that when the Soviet Union collapsed the pentagon and its
right-wing supporters had to frantically search for a new enemy. I would not
use the word âfrantically,â but to some extent this is true. The pentagon
must âwar gameâ against the most likely enemies. China moved up to the
top
immediately after the fall of Soviet Russia, and now Militant Islam is up
there as well. We build weapons to fit the most likely scenarios. That is
only
prudent.
Something similar occurred (in my theory) with the Leftists after the fall
of the Soviet Union. The epitome of Leftism had fallen, but the hatred of
America remained. And then along came Islamism and as we all know, the enemy
of
my enemy is my friend. There followed hugs, kisses, hand-holding, all the
rest.
Note that I have not lumped âLiberalsâ in with âLeftists.â Paul
Berman
has a problem with some Liberals who seem to have sided with the Leftists.
See his Terror and Liberalism. I am not taking that up here. David Horowitz
has described the current love affair between Leftism and Radical Islam in
his Unholy Alliance, Radical Islam and the American Left. It is the David
Horowitz sort of thing that I have in mind here.
Lawrence
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On Behalf Of Mike Geary
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:24 PM
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Is Hizbollah a Resistance Organization or not?
LH:
>The Lit-Ideas Leftists arenât as articulate....
Just curious. Whom do you list among the Lit-Idea's Leftists? Come clean,
now. You've been spouting that label for years, but no one I know thinks
they're the one. We all keep looking over our shoulders. Tell us who it is,
damn it!
Mike Geary
Memphis
(can't be me, this is the South)
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